Am I missing something?

[debbs77]

I'm in no way anti-vaccine, and myself and my children are all up to date with routine vaccines.

But I don't understand why people are being given ultimatums, ie possibly losing their job. For a vaccine that was never able to eradicate covid. But lessen the symptoms for the individual.

How can they prove that a vaccinated person spreads it less than an unvaccinated one? Plus, either way they can still spread it!

And as for teens, the actual government website says that the benefit to teens of the jab are only marginally better than if they just caught covid anyway!

So why let everyone bin the masks and mingle at concerts etc, but cause issues for unvaccinated people???

I'd just rather read for myself than be swept along by others because they don't do their own research

Lord save us from Facebook epidemiologists

Vaccines do reduce transmission between 40-60% although that’s not factoring in waning. Please stop spreading myths like they’re factual. Graphs of previous waves are easy enough to read, particularly if you remember to factor in restrictions that were in place in the past.

This is proved by monitoring groups of people and comparing the statistics. It’s a fact not a theory.

Those in jobs where vaccination is a requirement is because they work with in an environment with people who often have no choice at all about who they come into contact with and are often frail and/or vulnerable meaning that they’re vaccines are more likely to underperform. Exactly whose choice and rights trumps whose in that scenario? I’d argue it’s the person who has no choice over who they come into contact with rather than the person who has the choice to work somewhere else.

*they’re = their

do their own research

God if I hear that expression one more time....

Couldn't agree more. And as for vaccinating kids against a disease which they have a miniscule chance of being badly affected by, no chance. My kids are not being injected with a vaccine, where the long term effects won't be known for some time, to protect other adults.

I'd just rather read for myself than be swept along by others because they don't do their own research

Except you clearly don’t do your own research because every question you posed has an answer even if you choose not to recognise it. MN is hardly going to be harbouring a poster who holds the key to an epiphany for you.

I am with you, OP. I think it is a frightening path we are going down.

Frightening in what way? Everybody has a choice. The vaccine isn't mandatory. (Putting completely to one side the fact that it's beneficial for us all to have it - medical issues for exemption aside)

But why not give people the choice??

They do have the choice not to get vaccinated, just that every choice comes with consequences.

With you too op. It is coercion. If a partner was telling us that we must do something or put something in our bodies or we will lose our job, have our lives made difficult, called names until we agree... That's coercion right?! That would be wrong, we would be told its abusive, we shouldn't put up with that, we have rights. Yet for this jab all sense goes out the window. For a virus that has around a 99% survival rate. It's madness. A massive overreaction.
"yeah sure you have a choice, but we will make life more and more difficult until you make the choice we want you to make".
How many millions/billions have survived covid before jabs? Yes sadly millions also died with it, but they would likely have died from similar viruses too. And still their number is way below the number who have survived it.

I think that people are being forced and that's because they are being threatened with losing their job.

The NHS is already on its knees and losing more staff next April due to this mandatory vaccination is crazy.

I'm not anti vax either, I've had both of mine as have the rest of my family and I had covid along with the rest of my family 4 weeks ago. I just think that forcing people to have a vaccine that they do t want to take is wrong.

As for Austria and their lockdown of people who haven't been vaccinated it's positively barbaric, we are going backwards with this loss of autonomy.

Thank you for the responses.

Some people really are quite spiteful aren't they. I hope I'd never meet them in real life.

I came on to ask a question, which I'm clearly not alone in asking.

@Wagsandclaws

I think that people are being forced and that's because they are being threatened with losing their job.

The NHS is already on its knees and losing more staff next April due to this mandatory vaccination is crazy.

I'm not anti vax either, I've had both of mine as have the rest of my family and I had covid along with the rest of my family 4 weeks ago. I just think that forcing people to have a vaccine that they do t want to take is wrong.

As for Austria and their lockdown of people who haven't been vaccinated it's positively barbaric, we are going backwards with this loss of autonomy.

This sums it up for me.

I'm in the same position. Had both jabs, then had Covid. Do I need a booster so soon?

The coercion is troubling. Yes people have a choice - I made the choice to get the vaccine to try to protect myself.

People shouldn't be leant on so strongly to have something they might not need to "protect the NHS". It's a health service which needs better organisation and funding, not a god which needs worshipping and appeasing.

I am also pro choice. So you are not alone OP.

I think we need to acknowledge that many people who work in frontline care do it because they don't have any / many other viable options.

It's like anything else in life - people who have choices, don't understand how limited some other people's 'choices' are.

I used to work in care, I'm now a cleaner. Having poor mental health and zero qualifications and no financial means to get any qualifications (thanks Tories for removing support for single parent students) - the options available to me are Care Work (back breaking, emotionally demanding), Cleaning Work (backbreaking, slightly less pay than care work), Retail (wages have gone up since the pandemic and they'd rather employ younger people they can pay less whereas care doesn't have this pay scale).

Those in the caring professions aren't supposed to be Selfless Angels who should just eagerly accept putting our own health at risk with multiple vaccines 'to protect those we care for' - as is so often trotted around here.

We can still care to do our jobs - but it is a job at the end of the day.

I wonder if those who trot this out would be happy if they were mandated to get vaccinated for their wfh jobs!!

I am double vaccinated, although both doses I was really ill after (fever of 41 degrees, heart racing, one leg all numb and weak and tingly day after both doses).

It's like anything else in life - people who have choices, don't understand how limited some other people's 'choices' are.

I'm sorry but I really disagree with this. If you're working in the care sector - and I really admire anyone who is - if you're not vaccinated, then you're putting the people you're supposedly caring for at risk.

It is, actually, as simple as that. Unless you have a medical reason why you shouldn't receive the vaccine, why on earth wouldn't you have it? Do you not care about the people you're supposed to be caring for?

This old shit again. It's always people who have 'done their own research'. What does that even mean? Have they somehow found something the scientists have missed? And where exactly is this research carried out? Facebook? Reddit? Twitter? Pray tell.

I disagree with you, OP.

There's much talk of rights, but little of responsibility.

Nobody is being forced to have the vaccine.

The entire situation would sit better with me if people still wore masks. Everyone knows that you can still spread it when vaccinated, yet so many people dont bother with masks any more.

@debbs77

I wish people would quit their assumptions. Actually, I've just been reading about the viral load to understand it better.

I'd just rather read for myself than be swept along by others because they don't do their own research

Has your reading about viral load changed your view from your OP?

I’m with you op.

My body, my choice.

I work in healthcare, and I will wholeheartedly leave the NHS if I am forced to take the vaccine. I shall not be forced or manipulated. I am not against vaccinations; however, I have no interest in taking today's offerings. My children will certainly not be volunteering themselves as specimens for a medical trial.

@Phyllobates

My body, my choice.

I work in healthcare, and I will wholeheartedly leave the NHS if I am forced to take the vaccine. I shall not be forced or manipulated. I am not against vaccinations; however, I have no interest in taking today's offerings. My children will certainly not be volunteering themselves as specimens for a medical trial.

It's silly, vaccine is not even a medical trial anymore. And even if it was, there's no progress in science without people volunteering on medical trials. If you can't trust science, then maybe you are better off leaving NHS and not involved in healthcare.

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I am unvaccinated and happy to give up my job within the NHS as even with covid aside, it is a crumbling, under-staffed mess. I go on maternity leave in march, mandatory vaccination is in place from April so that will be it for me. When 2 staff members of staff dont turn in now we cannot cope. Nurses are being paid incentives to do extra shifts as they are that short of them. Think it will be goodbye to the NHS as we know it.