Family gathering - all vaccinated except 1

[Jungfraujoch]

My 18 yr old nephew unvaccinated. He is in contact with general public everyday, sometimes in their houses, goes to the gym. My parents are mid 80’s, jabbed incl. boosters but vulnerable - DM diabetes, pacemaker, Alzheimers. DF is her main carer. Sister in law also vulnerable, I have mild asthma. Overreaction to say we don’t want to mix?

Personal choice here, if you/your parents decide not to mix with him he must be clearly told why. Is he refusing or just not got round to it

I do sympathise, however, aren't your parents already seeing your nephew regularly? And there will be people like this all around us in the community, so unless your hiding at home it does seem a little bit illogical to refuse to socialise with him.

The people you've said are vulnerable aren't you and your patner, so this is their decision to make, rather than yours. I do of course have sympathy for you worrying about them, but this is up to them.

LFT before you meet up would make sense.

It’s up to your parents to decide whether they want to mix with him. It’s up to you to decide whether you do. If he was an age where he wasn’t able to be vaccinated would you feel the same or is it that you feel he’s reckless for choosing not to?

If you had an 11 year old in the family would you refuse to mix with them, or is it just because he’s chosen not to be vaccinated?

That’s up to your parents surely.

I’d be surprised if your nephew hasn’t had the virus already, given his age and social life. Even if he hasn’t, yes, it is an overreaction. Covid-19 will be with us forever - are you never going to see your nephew again? Seeing as you also have a chance of catching it and spreading it, maybe you’ll give it to your parents? But at least you’ll have your nephew as a scapegoat

If you are not mixing with anyone and staying indoors 24/7 then not a over reaction…but I can guarantee you are now continuing your life going to the shops and to work etc which means you are coming in to contact with many people of whom you do not know the vaccination status so you are over reacting if this is the case.

Absolutely agree it’s my parents decision if he comes to their house, as it is mine too! He lives 200 miles away so we’ve not seen him from well before the pandemic. He lives with my DS and BIL who are vaccinated and visit our parents twice a month but she only revealed his vaccination refusal a week ago which has upset my Dad. Apparently nephew has said he’ll have it next year if it means he can go on holiday with his mates!

Is your nephew your sister in laws son? Surely they see each other anyway…

Are you worried that the vaccine does not protect?

Yes I go out because of course life has to continue but I’ve not thrown all caution to the wind. I wear a mask in the supermarket and avoid crowded places. I’m not constantly socialising but when I do its with friends who are vaccinated and test regularly. I work alone so that’s not an issue. I always think about the risk to myself and family.

Overreaction, yes. So many people are vaccinated now that you'd probably be more likely to catch it from someone vaccinated.

Would you not consider testing before you get together? With so many vulnerabilities it would make sense. In the past 2 months 5 members of our family have had Covid. Only my 4 year old was unvaccinated. Obviously we can’t trace the whole way back, but as far as we can tell, the person who passed it to each of them was vaccinated.

I truly believe that the vaccines are amazing. My 84 year old grandad took to his bed for a week when he tested positive last month. I can’t imagine how serious it could have been, if he’d caught it this time last year. But I do think that the biggest cause of Covid spread this xmas will come from the fully vaccinated, who have a false sense of security around their risks of catching/passing on the virus.

I think you are being ridiculous. I dont even know the vax Status of extended family. It is up yo uojr parents wbethdf he comes snyway. Not you

Huge overreaction. I can't see the problem.

Yes, you’re overreacting. If you’re worried about your parents being vulnerable(are they due boosters soon?) then you should all do a test. Vaccinated people can still be infected and transmit to others. Your nephew may already be immune - if he’s socialising regularly it’s unlikely that he hadn’t been infected.

Does your nephew not have contact with any of them already? And do WE not want to mix so Parents and SIL have said they don't want nephew there? Or is it YOU?
Who else is in the proposed family meet up who'd be excluded if you ban nephew

The gathering would potentially be at my house. I’m on the fence tbh. My other sister, partner and his sister wouldn’t come if nephew was there. Health issues plus partner and sister list their Mum to covid just before last Xmas so sensitive subject!

Educate yourself, vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the virus as non vaccinated. So called breakthrough infections are very common now in double vaccinated people. The vaccines protect you from not getting very ill, you can still get infected and infect others. Can't believe people are still confused!

Is it because you believe he's fundamentally a bad and selfish person due to his personal medical choices?

Lalalopsie - I consider myself educated. I’m just looking out for my vulnerable DPs. Of course the vaccinated can still get Covid and transmit it but It is not true to say the vaccinated are just as likely to spread Covid as the unvaccinated! you may like to read this article It is not true to say the vaccinated are just as likely to spread Covid as the unvaccinated! www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccinated-people-can-transmit-the-coronavirus-but-its-still-more-likely-if-youre-unvaccinated

Keep in mind a good chunk of people are just lying about being jabbed to extended family. I am one of them. You can't reason with the crazies so just pretend to be one of them for a quiet life :)

Nothing has changed since the middle ages really, the clever witches blend in.

I think if it upsets your dad - who cares for your vulnerable mum - that trumps everything. I'd back your dad up if I were you, and explain to nephew that this is the consequence of choosing not to get vaccinated. Plus the sister with partner and sister. All of these people should get priority choice in the matter over feckless nephew.

Given the extremely high vaccination rate in the UK do you honestly think transmission is solely from the unvaccinated is it not more reasonable to think vaccination status has no bearing on transmission except for on MSM & Mumsnet 🙄

@Jungfraujoch

“ Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts.”

www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext