Lockdown for the unvaccinated - or a full lockdown for everybody?

[PrincessNutNuts]

Which would you choose?

Neither.

Silly question really as both unlikely to happen now in the UK.

That ship has sailed.

@Nsmum14

Neither

What would you choose instead?

Bearing in mind that it's not up to any of us,

And

We're cutting it fine to implement any alternative plan since we've been in a high wave since NPIs we're taken away in July.

we've been in a high wave since NPIs we're taken away in July

They weren't taken away in Scotland or Wales.

@sirfredfredgeorge

we've been in a high wave since NPIs we're taken away in July

They weren't taken away in Scotland or Wales.

But unless they took control of their borders and kept the English out...

@PrincessNutNuts if you look at the report I linked to, one of the figures shows the proportion of people with certain BMIs in the general population along with the percentage of people with that BMI in critical care.

And yes, I know age is still the biggest risk factor. I said that in my post.

“ But the point of curtailing the freedoms of un-vaccinated people is primarily because they spread covid much more than vaccinated people and help keep the pandemic going.”

An unvaccinated person can’t spread the virus if they don’t have it. You can’t just assume every unvaccinated person is a risk - many of them are immune after being infected.

“But it's the asymptomatic disease carriers that can be "Typhoid Mary's" and infect large sections of a classroom, a hairdressers, a cinema, or a pub etc.”

So if vaccinated people are more likely to have the disease mildly they’re more likely be asymptomatic carriers, right?

But unless they took control of their borders and kept the English out...

So your claim is that the cases in Scotland are temporary visitors from England? Or that English people visiting Scotland don't have to follow the rules in Scotland so change things? I don't understand this statement, what exactly are you asserting?

@Flyonawalk

Interesting question for Remembrance Day, when we commemorate those who died for the freedom we treat so casually.

No lockdowns for anyone ever again.

*fictional example, But if we have freedom but then catch a virus that wipes out say most of the population, and people refused e.g. To lockdown because of them considering their point of using their freedoms, then overall what's been achieved ?

I hope I've worded is sensitivity, apologies if I could of worded it better.

That's not the consensus, no.

The unvaccinated spread it far more than anyone vaccinated.

They're far more likely to be super spreaders like Typhoid Mary.

That's part of the logic behind the Austria 2G "lockdown." .

*it

@QuornSausagesAreTheDevilsPenis

Neither. But mask wearing indoors being mandatory for a bit would be a least worst option.

I agree with this, but another lockdown would be ridiculous - for vaccinated or unvaccinated people.

I am very glad I don't live in Austria.

But unless they took control of their borders and kept the English out

how do you define "English" - people who live in England or people who can trace their ancestry and the Scottish authorities can prove they are 100% "English"*

• disclaimer: there is no such thing

So if vaccinated people are more likely to have the disease mildly they’re more likely be asymptomatic carriers, right

you would have thought so wouldn't you? Or have mild symptoms they don't really notice like sniffles or a slight cough or sore throat?

If you take away NPIs and have a "Freedom Day" then at some point those chickens will come home to roost and harder restrictions have to be implemented.

You’re still just excitedly waiting for us to hit that 100k/day figure, aren’t you princess?

Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. If asymptomatic people are the highest spreaders/most risk to others and we know that the vaccine reduces the risk of serious illness and vaccinated people make up a much larger percentage of the population, then they’re more likely to be the spreaders, by your logic.

@HariboMaroon

Neither.

Silly question really as both unlikely to happen now in the UK.

That ship has sailed.

Yep, and a number of the proposed NPIs aren't actually possible now either.

@PrincessNutNuts

Decisions the government has made about who to vaccinate and when don't change the fact that to have a hope of population immunity you need over 90% of the population to be vaccinated.

Which is what the governments "Vaccine Only" strategy relies on.

Without it, a vaccine only will fail, and NPIs and restrictions will be needed.

Once again I'm in Scotland. We never lifted the face covering mandate. And we have covid vaccine passports (how well they are being checked is another thing - as I said earlier know people who have been to large events and not been asked). Yet our case rate is similar, in fact England's rate of cases per 100k population is the lowest of all uk nations currently.

Which comes back to your original question. No further lockdowns.

Neither.

@amicissimma

"Is there a difference in real world safety between an authorised product and a licensed product?"

There is a massive difference in the real world between a medicine or any other product that has temporary authorisation and one that is fully licensed. I genuinely don't understand how you can't see this.

None. I won't participate in this bullshit. Haven't for a year.

@zombiedog21

If we're making up pointless random multi-choice questions, I go for (C), a massive party with wine and cake.

This. And karaoke and a rodeo bull and a hot tub under the stars

It's not up to you either Princess, much as you'd like it to be. You've been calling for restrictions to be reintroduced for months and they haven't happened, you must be gutted.

@Waxonwaxoff0

It's not up to you either Princess, much as you'd like it to be. You've been calling for restrictions to be reintroduced for months and they haven't happened, you must be gutted.

Maybe for you it's about what you want.

For me, it's about what I understand to be necessary.

Men are more likely to be adversely effected by Covid than women so can I suggest any future lockdown be done by sex ?

Neither. Neither should be necessary if the vaccines are all they’re cracked up to be. And while cases are rising, hospital admissions aren’t, so what would a lockdown be for?

We need to get on with life as far as possible now.

For me, it's about what I understand to be necessary.

Thankfully for the country what YOU deem to be necessary has absolute no relevance to reality whatsoever