Mandatory vaccination

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So I am not anti vac and have had my two doses and booster booked for next week. I do genuinely understand why a lot of my work colleagues are reluctant..Drs ,nurses ,carers etc . They are young people in their 20s/30s who are scared about the long term side effects ie infertility,blood disorders ..it’s very easy for people who are not in a job involving health care to be so critical of these lovely people .
Yes hepatitis B jab is mandatory for some but the hep jab has had many years of trials.
Can I ask everyone reading my post if you would be 100% happy if their 20 something children had this vaccine?

Oh yes sorry 0.2% ... even more startling then!

Yes, I feel like rather a fool engaging with anti-vaxxers. No point. Off to do some work now.

Oh, just to answer the OP, my 20 something and 17 something DC have both had the vaccine. Not worried about their fertility.

Good point - also to answer the OP all 4 or my 20 somethings are double vaccinated, one living abroad is already booster'd.

Yep, delighted.

Yes of course I am happy for my son to have the vaccine.

My son is 17 and having his second shot in couple of weeks. He has no underlying issues

Sultan posted earlier :

"There is no known vaccine that has long term adverse effects.......
There might be some objection to MRNA vaccines, as these are new. "

Could we go back to that please. We don't have evidence re Pfizer, because it's new?

That IS a problem, no?

OP

Where have you read/heard that the vaccine causes infertility?

Other than from those with an anti vac agenda?

Nobody knows the long term effects of covid

That could cause infertility or blood disorders or death

@bumbleymummy

where would they go to earn what they do in the NHS and get all the benefits of annual leave, pensions and sick pay?

Private sector?

🤣🤣🤣 hilarious!

@OnceUponAWhine

Repeating what I posted last night- what about the unvaccinated patients that come in needing urgent care, particularly for something other than covid. Everyone equal, right? Vaccinated/Unvaccinated colleagues currently work side by side to care for an unvaccinated patient. No judgement on the patients status, just care from NHS staff who will try to save a life no matter who it is or how they’ve ended up requiring medical attention.

Should vaccinated NHS staff prioritise the vaccinated patients from April onwards ?

Crazy logic. We don’t refuse to treat people with any disease, vaccinated or unvaccinated. They’re sick. Totally different from people who are working with sick people. Tbh, those of us who are vaccinated are fed up with a tiny minority of colleagues who are refusing.If they don’t want it, for whatever reason, they can get another job. What would we say to an HGV driver who was anti seatbelts? Or someone on a building site who didn’t want to stick by safety rules? They would just have to get another job. This is a public health issue.

@FlorenciaFlora

My 20 year old daughter is a carer and double jabbed. Her thought process was she would do whatever it took to protect those she looks after

No. I’m not having this.

The CQC report is very clear that around a third of staff were under pressure to apply DNRs without consent. Even more must have known about it considering they all work together.Was your daughter aware that this was happening? Did she report it? If not why not?

Perhaps she should find a different job.

Perhaps you should leave this thread

[quote bumbleymummy]@PAFMO

“Because published, peer-reviewed studies showing 65-90% reduction of transmission need to be questioned if they are wrong.”

According to this study into the Pfizer vaccine,

“ Effectiveness against infections declined from 88% (95% CI 86–89) during the first month after full vaccination to 47% (43–51) after 5 months.”

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext#%20

And this preprint suggests that reduction in protection against transmission also wanes:

“For Delta and BNT162b, reductions at 2 and 12 weeks were 50%(35-61%) and 24%(20-28%), respectively, and 24%(18-30%) and 2%(−2-6%) for ChAdOx1”

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v2.full-text

So, while the vaccine remains protective against serious illness/hospitalisation for the individual, the argument that it is providing protection for others is considerably weaker. Which is why mandating it for hcps makes little sense.[/quote]
Yes.
So the data isn't wrong. The poster I quoted, however, is.
Thanks for the links confirming.

Well the studies I linked to show different figures to what you stated but ok. I guess everyone has learned something :)

@SultanOfSwing

There is no known vaccine that has long term adverse effects. There are absolutely some short term (almost immediate) adverse effects.

Astra Zeneca is a traditional vaccine, designed pretty much like almost every other vaccine produced in the 20th century,. It is plain silly for anyone with any real medical knowledge to object.

There might be some objection to MRNA vaccines, as these are new. There is absolutely no evidence of problems, but okay...

No excuse for refusing a traditional vaccine. No excuse for putting your patients at risk.

Absolutely yes, you have a right to refuse any medical procedure or to put anything in your body. But you do not have a right to any particular job. No human rights are being violated. If you want a front line health care worker career get the job. Otherwise, do something else.

Very nicely put.

If I had kids in their 20s I wouldn’t be telling them what to do wrt the vaccine: their choice to make. But I would very much hope they would get it!