Will vaccine passports be dropped any time soon?

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Let's be honest - they're as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

A vaccine passport doesn't stop the spread - be that on planes or in large venues etc, so will we go back to testing?

Yes it's a pain in the backside, and it's easier to whip your phone out, but testing is currently massively more reliable at finding infected people than relying on a QR code which doesn't actually prove the person is negative at the time of them attending said event/journey.

I really am struggling with their effectiveness in trying to stop the spread.

Will we really need them for the foreseeable or will they admit they're not fit for purpose?

But those ‘rules of entry’ don’t actually protect people because the people that they allow in can still be infected and transmit the virus. As a CV person, you have decided that you are willing to risk being infected by being out and about - that infection could come from anyone - yes, potentially an unvaccinated infected person but also another vaccinated person who happens to be infected or someone else who can’t be vaccinated eg a child.

I agree with user - why should one set of people have their lives restricted so someone else can be unrestricted - particularly when the restrictions don’t even guarantee protection anyway.

If you don't agree with a private company's rules, you can once again exercise your choice and not use them.

Or you could call them out on their discriminatory and irrational policy…

DavidDevantsSpiritWife You stated: I'm CV. I'm glad that (unless exempt) only those with a reduced chance of spreading covid/lower viral load if they do have it are able to go to the venues I want to go to. It means I (and tens of thousands of others like me) actually can, and have a far lower chance of dying. That's what it comes down to

Yet you also say that you don’t think anybody should do anything for your benefit?

Exercise your choice to go anywhere you like as should everyone else regardless of their personal medical choices.

What if the tables were turned and suddenly restriction of the at risk was being considered due to the risk they presented to the NHS, how would you feel about that?

Pre vaccine the CV made a lot of noise about that idea.

Very true user.

We have vaccine passport in Scotland.
It's required for entrance to nightclubs, large indoor events and large outdoor sporting events.
Scot Gov have freely admitted it's purpose is to increase vaccine uptake in younger age groups.
If it was to prevent covid spread then would be allowed to show negative LFT but you're not. Has to be vaccine

I thought in Switzerland if you have had Covid you have a deemed Covid pass for 3 or 6 months and if you don’t want or can’t have the vaccine you can test instead to enter venues? Previously testing was free but now it is 25chf or so per antigen test so people don’t want to pay out.
In France, Covid passes were introduced due to low uptake of vaccine initially and it did encourage uptake.
In England so many people had the vaccine voluntarily don’t see the point of Covid passes unless people refuse boosters.

I think if it turns out that a large amount of the population need to be revaccinated regularly and don’t want to then we will have a problem. Let’s say the virus keeps attacking the elderly but they don’t want regular vaccines. I doubt government can force the young to keep having vaccines.

It will be easy to use the vaccine passport for other things deemed to be of benefit for the greater good.

I actually would be very happy to take action to reduce other people's risk of getting an infection which might harm them. Of course I would.

Vaccine passports do not do that. Where they've been introduced, there is no evidence they have reduced infection rate. The "misinformation" on this thread is coming from those claiming the vaccines do anything substantial to reduce spread. Real world, international data are completely inconsistent with this view. Vaccines are a personal risk-reducer. They do very little for anyone else.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/covid-vaccinated-likely-unjabbed-infect-cohabiters-study-suggests

It is impossible to travel without them to almost everywhere in the world. Regardless of whether our government wants them used in the UK they are needed to travel. Our government isn't able to control whether other countries decide that one is needed. IMO for this reason they need to remain.

We are already outside of the scheme that allows a Covid Recovery Pass to be used for travel- most countries only accept the EU version, but we can only get a UK version which is point blank refused. So if you are unlucky enough to be someone who tests positive for a king while after infection, you cannot travel if you are from the UK- but you can if you are from the EU. Bonkers.

Iirc Switzerland recently said that they were considering accepting antibody tests as proof of immunity for the pass too.

And people will @TheNoonBell . The comments on here that show people will happily show a vaccine passport when there is no logical reason shows how easy it will be to go down that dangerous path.

I expect the same people think that it was ok for Boris to use a private jet to return for a dinner party yesterday as there seems to be an epidemic of mass compliance and no logical thinking

You will need both vaccine passport and tests. So it is a massive pain in the….

• Once ID is introduced it will never go away. The next stage is the digital currency and your personal carbon allowance which are both dependent on people having the ID.

You will be tracked and "nudged" forever if you let it happen.*

Third world it is for me then.

Squleamish your link didn't work for me, so is this it?

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/28/covid-vaccinated-likely-unjabbed-infect-cohabiters-study-suggests

Hmmm - well I have a Swiss Covid certificate because I travelled there on work and I am double jabbed and the French accept that happily etc. And if I had had Covid (rather than being double jabbed) I think I would have gotten the Swiss Covid certificate too by emailing the relevant cantonal authorities and then I would have gotten free reign to EU.

They have had ID cards in Switzerland for ages - part of life. As there is absolute democracy there are plenty of people kicking up a fuss about Covid certificates - far more anti vaxxers etc than in England. There is no need to be afraid of ID cards if you have a properly running democracy.

Yes IDs are not a problem until they turn into a social credit system. Regulating a person’s movements based on medical choices absolutely falls into this category.

By the time the penny drops for people of what they are welcoming they won’t even have the freedom to moan about it on social media as they will put their ‘freedom pass’ in jeopardy.

I received a text this morning inviting me to apply for mine...was half asleep and started going through the motions, then was asked for £4.99 to process.

It appears to be a hoax as have just gone onto the NHS website website got the real thing.

The covid pass will be a social credit system.

I find it unbelievable that people are ok with it.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/927547/GOS_The_Future_of_Citizen_Data_Systems_Report__2_.pdf

If it is just a piece of paper that no one bothers to look closely at, like has been mentioned numerous times on this thread you would be very naive to think it's about ensuring everyone is vaccinated. As if no checks are done it could be anyones bit of paper.

There will be a booming market on fake vaccine certificates for both electronic ones and paper ones, especially if venues only give them a glance.

They are pointless

The pass will not stay on paper for long due to fraud. It will become a digital ID very swiftly.

@userperuser

The pass will not stay on paper for long due to fraud. It will become a digital ID very swiftly.

Which then restricts people who don't have access to digital passports, irrespective of whether they are vaccinated or not.

Digital will be faked soon enough too

In France the Assemblée Nationale have just voted to prolong the option of the pass sanitaire until 31 July 2022. I just wish if there is one that there could be some kind of international standard - I have mine with one pre-Covid infection and one vaccination here but the UK will only accept 2 vaccinations to visit there, immunity from a previous Covid infection doesn't count.