Will vaccine passports be dropped any time soon?

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Let's be honest - they're as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

A vaccine passport doesn't stop the spread - be that on planes or in large venues etc, so will we go back to testing?

Yes it's a pain in the backside, and it's easier to whip your phone out, but testing is currently massively more reliable at finding infected people than relying on a QR code which doesn't actually prove the person is negative at the time of them attending said event/journey.

I really am struggling with their effectiveness in trying to stop the spread.

Will we really need them for the foreseeable or will they admit they're not fit for purpose?

The mistake you are making is thinking that vaccine passports are to stop the spread. They are not. The government doesn’t want to stop the spread, far from it. But they do want to stop hospitalisations and deaths, which the vaccine is rather good at. So, yes, I think vaccine passports may well make an appearance to align us with a good many other countries.

But they are not ther to stop the spread....that was never their intention

I've just come back from Switzerland and Germany, where you need to show your vaccine certificate everywhere. Can't even order coffee without it! After two days, I was used to it. I'd be happy to keep in doing that in the knowledge that the more people get vaccinated, the fewer will end up in hospital. We need hospital beds for people who can't avoid being sick, and if imposing restrictions on people with no vaccines stops them from mixing with other people, well, I have no objection. It's up to them whether they get vaccinated or not, but governments need to do what they need to do to ensure hospitals are not in the verge of collapsing once more

I have not gone anywhere that needs them.
Are they likely to come in for cinemas in England? That is the only thing I have planned soon that might be a bit iffy for me.

@Hairwizard isn't the point that if Covid is spreading in a room full of vaccinated people then they are a lot less likely to require hospital care than a room full of unvaccinated people? Quite obvious I thought.

Why on earth is it about control? What's in it for the government... really?

What do you mean by vaccine passport?
I didn't realise the UK had them.
I'm in Italy and of course, we have them for everything.
It's no biggie. Most of the population in favour as they're helping to get the economy back on its feet. Numbers are rising (in the under 12s predominantly, and the city of Trieste which has become the no- Green- Pass protest hub) but not enough to cause any great concern.

And yes, of course the vaccination works. That's why numbers of deaths are much lower than last year and there are fewer hospitalisations even if you get Covid.

I’ve just got back from Ireland where you have to show that you’re vaccinated to access a good number of venues.

It really wasn’t an issue, and I wouldn’t mind doing it here. As long as those properly exempt (for medical reasons not antivaxers) could get an exemption on the NHS app.

@Hairwizard

Anyone still thinking these are about fucking covid needs to give their heads a wobble. Seriously. They have FUCK ALL to do with health and everything to do with control. We cant let this happen. Not now not ever. They will never be temporary. Its nobodies fucking business whether a person is jabbed or not. They dont protect anyone but the person jabbed. So if you have been why are so bothered who is/isnt?

Do you swear at CCTV cameras as well? Or MN when you signed up? Your email provider? Your dentist? Your kids' school?

They've ALL got your personal information. We're apparently filmed 200 times a day. Even if we wear our tinfoil hat.

You're right though. Vaccine passes ARE about control. Controlling a pandemic.

@Marmite27

I’ve just got back from Ireland where you have to show that you’re vaccinated to access a good number of venues.

It really wasn’t an issue, and I wouldn’t mind doing it here. As long as those properly exempt (for medical reasons not antivaxers) could get an exemption on the NHS app.

Here you just do a test if you aren't vaccinated and the test result is the Green Pass.

A very quick AS tells me how old you are, what month your birthday is, where you live, how old your children are and your religion.
And that was the first three posts from you on a search.
I don't think a vaccine passport holds that kind of info.

@Hairwizard
Forgot to tag.

Scoff all you want. They are not about health.

What do you think they're about @hairwizard?

I live in Switzerland- the vaccine passports are awful. Divisive and controlling. And they make no sense. I’m double jabbed but can go with Covid into multiple locations with it. Just because I have a qr code.
And the numbers here are going up again. So clearly they do not work.
In November there is a vote. To get rid of all the Covid measures. I hope it passes. This is no way to live.

Whereabouts do you mean op?

I didn’t think they were about stopping spread in a venue but getting vaccination rates up

@Serenschintte

I live in Switzerland- the vaccine passports are awful. Divisive and controlling. And they make no sense. I’m double jabbed but can go with Covid into multiple locations with it. Just because I have a qr code. And the numbers here are going up again. So clearly they do not work. In November there is a vote. To get rid of all the Covid measures. I hope it passes. This is no way to live.

But doesn't your pass become null and void once you test positive? It does here. Any test you do is automatically synced with the pass in the event of positivity, likewise if you don't go for your second dose.

I hope so. I’m not sure why people think they are actually helping with anything. Someone having proof of two vaccines means very little. They don’t mean you aren’t infected/can’t spread the virus. Chances are if countries removed them tomorrow very little would change irt cases/hospitalisations etc.

@Marmite27

I’ve just got back from Ireland where you have to show that you’re vaccinated to access a good number of venues.

It really wasn’t an issue, and I wouldn’t mind doing it here. As long as those properly exempt (for medical reasons not antivaxers) could get an exemption on the NHS app.

Why would you want to keep unvaccinated people out? What has their choice not to be vaccinated got to do with you (bearing in mind that vaccinated people can still contract and transmit the virus).

You forgot the "to a much lesser extent" Bumbleymummy. (Vaccinated v unvaccinated risk of contracting Covid/being seriously ill with it etc)
You wouldn't want to get deleted for spreading misinformation (again) would you?

Why would you want to keep unvaccinated people out? What has their choice not to be vaccinated got to do with you (bearing in mind that vaccinated people can still contract and transmit the virus)

Vaccines slow the spread and expose people to lower viral loads if someone who is vaccinated infects you. It’s all about a slow spread to get it endemic now rather than a quick spread among the unvaccinated who will get sick and add to the people in ICU more quickly.

No one is trying to control you. They are trying to control the pandemic. What an arrogant thought that they somehow derive a benefit from you being vaccinated beyond the public health positives. Damn that government (for once) trying to save lives

@FflosFfantastig

That's not their function. It's not about making venues more 'safe' - if that word has any meaning anymore. They're part of a whole different agenda of ID and tracking.

Isn’t it funny how the tin foil hatters just bubble under constantly, waiting to pop up every now and again