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Are we locking down again?

662 replies

Dancerinthedark01 · 19/10/2021 21:37

And if so will they do more of the furlough and shutting things down?

Schools?

Please No!

I’m reading that this might be happening.

OP posts:
Horst · 20/10/2021 12:49

Deliveroo

MarshaBradyo · 20/10/2021 12:49

Pubs restaurants, parties and holidays are all vital parts of the economy and have been shut down for far too long.
With them shut how would people continue their unhealthy lifestyles?

First part yes, but second no. It is possible to have a sociable time and be healthy.

Whammyyammy · 20/10/2021 12:50

@julieca

The ONS data shows that nearly all of those have died of covid and that on average it has shortened lives by 10 years. But people just don't want to hear the facts. They are happier to go to pubs, restaurants, parties, and on holiday and ignore what is happening. The numbers dying are now higher than this time last year. It is obvious where we are heading.
Its not a case of not wanting to hear the facts, for me it's about getting on and living my life as covid isn't going anywhere.

I've been on holiday (med) three times this year, I go to restaurants, bars, coffee shops, don't wear a mask. I'm living my life

julieca · 20/10/2021 12:52

@bluetuesdayy deaths are higher and hospitalisations are exactly where they were this date last year. No, the curve looks different, but we started from a much lower level of hospitalisations last summer.
I have no idea exactly what is going to happen. But it is clear that things are not going the right way.

MarshaBradyo · 20/10/2021 12:53

[quote julieca]@bluetuesdayy deaths are higher and hospitalisations are exactly where they were this date last year. No, the curve looks different, but we started from a much lower level of hospitalisations last summer.
I have no idea exactly what is going to happen. But it is clear that things are not going the right way.[/quote]
If you listen to Pollard it’s not as depressing.

julieca · 20/10/2021 12:54

@Whammyyammy We have been very careful in my house. My DP who is ecv is now in bed with covid caught at work. He is in his 50s. I know most people won't give a shit about him.

LyricalBlowToTheJaw · 20/10/2021 12:55

I don't think many of our nurses came over the channel illegally.

It's not illegal.

Warhertisuff · 20/10/2021 12:56

@julieca

The ONS data shows that nearly all of those have died of covid and that on average it has shortened lives by 10 years. But people just don't want to hear the facts. They are happier to go to pubs, restaurants, parties, and on holiday and ignore what is happening. The numbers dying are now higher than this time last year. It is obvious where we are heading.
Presumably those that have died have, on average, had their lives cut short by 10 years, not that catching Covid reduces life expectancy by ten years.
Warhertisuff · 20/10/2021 12:59

[quote julieca]@Whammyyammy We have been very careful in my house. My DP who is ecv is now in bed with covid caught at work. He is in his 50s. I know most people won't give a shit about him.[/quote]
I'm sorry you're dealing with that. I do think that the lack of ongoing support for the CEV in the past few months has been very poor. Essentially they've been told
to just take their chances.

HesterShaw1 · 20/10/2021 13:02

@MarshaBradyo

Pubs restaurants, parties and holidays are all vital parts of the economy and have been shut down for far too long. With them shut how would people continue their unhealthy lifestyles?

First part yes, but second no. It is possible to have a sociable time and be healthy.

In fact social interaction is enormously beneficial for health and wellbeing, and loneliness is a proven killer.

There are so many people who weirdly equate "socialising" with "getting pissed and eating too much".

REDHERO · 20/10/2021 13:04

[quote Regulus]@FleeceDog yes of course the school must be handling it badly, ffs. The department formally known as Public Health England and the local public health shut the year groups. Although with no teacher we would have had little other choice.

Red our area rates do not seem to reflect reality. Although we are South West and we're hardly affected before this September, so our student population don't have antibodies as very few caught it prior to September 21.[/quote]
Is that all the SW or just the city areas?

Without asking too much, city schools closed or rural?

Lilifer · 20/10/2021 13:08

@SaveWaterDrinkGin

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: some people really, really don’t want this to end…
True!
REDHERO · 20/10/2021 13:11

I managed to google the SW and a paper there (not sure if a main one) says th S is now the highest for covid in the country. The hospitals have recorded 23 deaths in 2 weeks which is incredibly high number of deaths for small hospitals. Those wrong tests results for the SW has meant people were going about infecting others and not realising they were positive so more people have died. Awful incompetence at testing labs and seems to have hardly made the news!

Bizawit · 20/10/2021 13:11

[quote herecomesthsun]@Bizawit

You were the person who introduced the notion of talking about this as "toddler" behaviour, weren't you?

Very perceptive of you to see your own posts as having been childish.[/quote]
Ha, no not at all. If you read the thread you will see I was responding to another poster who said my perspective was like a toddler playing hide and seek. You have taken my words out of context.

julieca · 20/10/2021 13:15

@Warhertisuff Yes the people who have died of covid have on average lost ten years of their life.
And overall life expectancy has fallen. Partly covid and partly delays in treatment due to medics overwhelmed with covid.

Inanun2 · 20/10/2021 13:18

[quote julieca]@Whammyyammy We have been very careful in my house. My DP who is ecv is now in bed with covid caught at work. He is in his 50s. I know most people won't give a shit about him.[/quote]
I am very sorry to hear this, keep a very close eye in him.

I also have close CEV family member double vaccinated in hospital atm who has been very careful and basically self isolated since Feb last year but caught COVID as someones child went to school when their parent was positive and they subsequently tested positive but not before passing it around other school children who then brought it home to a vulnerable person. ( and this is okay as rules say no isolation required)

IMO They need to bring back Masks, Isolating if someone in family is positive. I think the government has just given up and are perusing herd immunity again, it’s completely irresponsible when these simple measures would avoid transmission to vulnerable people and endangering their life.
I am not talking about locking down but wearing masks and isolating when someone in household is infected. People will not do this voluntarily unless mandated.

julieca · 20/10/2021 13:30

Thanks @Inanun2

Bizawit · 20/10/2021 13:58

@julieca

The ONS data shows that nearly all of those have died of covid and that on average it has shortened lives by 10 years. But people just don't want to hear the facts. They are happier to go to pubs, restaurants, parties, and on holiday and ignore what is happening. The numbers dying are now higher than this time last year. It is obvious where we are heading.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to go to pubs, restaurants, parties and on holiday. Nothing wrong with it at all.

We have never organised the world around preventing every possible avoidable death. It is more than reasonable that people want to get on with their lives, and accept the risk of Covid , like we accept many other types of risk in life. I frequently get into cars, this doesn’t mean I am ignorant of the fact that car accidents happen or I am pretending that car accidents don’t exist.

julieca · 20/10/2021 14:08

@Bizawit try and get into a car drunk, not wearing a seatbelt, not having passed a test, driving above the speed limit - all are illegal. There are a LOT of rules around car driving to keep deaths as low as possible.

Bizawit · 20/10/2021 14:19

[quote julieca]@Bizawit try and get into a car drunk, not wearing a seatbelt, not having passed a test, driving above the speed limit - all are illegal. There are a LOT of rules around car driving to keep deaths as low as possible.[/quote]
Yes just like we have implemented unprecedented measures to protect people from Covid. For the last 18 months we made unprecedented sacrifices in all aspects of our lives, many of the restrictions are not considered sustainable long term for a range of reasons. However, we have ongoing mandatory isolation rules for people who are symptomatic or who have tested positive (not the case for any other infectious disease!), pretty much the most widespread testing regime in the world, multiple vaccines and boosters, test and tracing, research and surveillance, public health advice and education, ongoing border restrictions, advisory mask and social distancing measures in different settings, improved health treatments including new drugs and medications for treating Covid and many more. Practically every business/ institution has a Covid safety policy. God knows how much total public spend we have invested in mitigating Covid risk- far more than we invest in car safety I wager.

It is the height of nonsense to claim we are doing nothing to mitigate the spread of Covid and to compare the precautions we have taken and are continuing to take unfavourably to precautions we take for mitigation risk in other aspects of our lives.

Bizawit · 20/10/2021 14:20

*mitigating not mitigation

TheKeatingFive · 20/10/2021 14:24

There are a LOT of rules around car driving to keep deaths as low as possible.

And there could be a lot more (more frequent testing, higher penalties, changes to speed limits, more stringent requirements from manufacturers.)

We absolutely aren't doing everything we could do to keep RTA deaths as low as possible.

HesterShaw1 · 20/10/2021 14:27

Ditto pollution

Air (and water) pollution is generally seen as something we have to put up with, even though it kills tens of thousands just in this country per year. Same with obesity and alcohol related illness. Lots could be done, and it isn't.

Why are these deaths acceptable and not covid, and apparently now, flu?

Bizawit · 20/10/2021 14:30

@TheKeatingFive

There are a LOT of rules around car driving to keep deaths as low as possible.

And there could be a lot more (more frequent testing, higher penalties, changes to speed limits, more stringent requirements from manufacturers.)

We absolutely aren't doing everything we could do to keep RTA deaths as low as possible.

Yes! And We could ration peoples use of the roads. We could Have days and times for which different groups of people were allowed to get in their cars. No driving after dark, for example, would stop many preventable deaths. We could have “reasonable excuse” rules regulating for what reasons you are allowed to get into a car 😂.
Bizawit · 20/10/2021 14:31

@HesterShaw1

Ditto pollution

Air (and water) pollution is generally seen as something we have to put up with, even though it kills tens of thousands just in this country per year. Same with obesity and alcohol related illness. Lots could be done, and it isn't.

Why are these deaths acceptable and not covid, and apparently now, flu?

It must be because people are selfish and ignorant and “don’t give a shit”.