Are we locking down again?

[Dancerinthedark01]

And if so will they do more of the furlough and shutting things down?

Schools?

Please No!

I’m reading that this might be happening.

@ancientgran

BBC just announced there will be a press conference this afternoon. Think they said Whitty will be talking about current situation. Not sure what time it will be on.

There is no need to panic. Boris clearly stated that the loosening of the restrictions was irreversible. Much like he was clear that he had an oven ready Brexit deal, that he would not raise taxes and that Dominic Cummings had done nothing wrong.

Thanks jgw1, I'd forgotten that, didn't want to start a panic. I'm sure we are safe in his hands.

@ancientgran

Thanks jgw1, I'd forgotten that, didn't want to start a panic. I'm sure we are safe in his hands.

Certainly are. Although there may be an opportunity for him to further enrich some of his mates in the near future.

@Ginandfantalemon ok Nigel.

You do know that many nurses in the NHS are immigrants right? drive them away and you can have fun lying in A & E waiting for a British nurse that meets your standards.

I love Chris Whitty 🥰 what time is the conference? I can't see anything on the bbc news app.

@jgw1 😂

@Ginandfantalemon

The UK is a country with an over population problem, it is ever increasing so if our NHS does not increase with it then obviously they will struggle. They have seen this happening for years yet what do we do? Welcome with open arms, dinghy loads of immigrants into our country, who may be responsible for bringing in disease and variants, have paid nothing into a system we have worked hard for, yet will be entitled to free NHS treatment. This whole country is a bloody mess. I don't think Covid is the problem, but stick on a mask in Sainsburys and everything will be fine.

Except it isn't. www.newstatesman.com/politics/2020/08/why-we-must-finally-abandon-the-myth-that-britain-is-overcrowded

@Bizawit

You were the person who introduced the notion of talking about this as "toddler" behaviour, weren't you?

Very perceptive of you to see your own posts as having been childish.

@Oldandcobwebby

Although nearly 12000 people have died in the UK of Covid since that "Freedom Day" nonsense, and our rapidly rising number of infections is the highest in the world, at some point in the distant future, our glorious leader will mutter something like "No-one could have predicted..." and "Alas, we must..." That will be the point they will introduce some half-hearted measure backed with a three word slogan. By that time, the horse will, of course, have bolted.

What did the 12,000 die of....it wasn't feckin Covid.....albeit some will have

@FlatteredFool

I love Chris Whitty 🥰 what time is the conference? I can't see anything on the bbc news app.

It's Javid not Whitty - On BBC live news page:

12:02
BREAKING
Javid to hold press conference this afternoon
Health Secretary Sajid Javid will hold a press conference this afternoon.

He is expected to speak at 17:00 BST.

We will bring you live updates from that press conference here, and we will also provide a live stream of the event.

Agree @Pootle40. Someone did a FOI request to our local hospital.

How many people with COVID had died
How many people died because of COVID

The figures were something like 394 had died with COVID, 1 had died because of COVID.

@CornishGem1975

Agree *@Pootle40*. Someone did a FOI request to our local hospital.

How many people with COVID had died
How many people died because of COVID

The figures were something like 394 had died with COVID, 1 had died because of COVID.

Totally. I have seen numerous copies of FOI letters for Scottish health boards, they say the same. People dying infected with Covid are not necessarily dying because of Covid.

Someone will be along in a minute to tell me two things (yawn......)

1. What about people who died after more than 28 days?
2. What about death certificates where it is mentioned .......

@Ginandfantalemon the uk hardly accepts any refugees?

And actually the uk isn't overpopulated. A country isn't overpopulated when you can buy a house for 100k in the north- so only 4 times the combined income of a couple on minimum wage. The problem however is that the main employer in such areas is either the government or minimum wage type jobs. And so people aren't willing to live in many places in the north and hence have to move to the south.

The problem is low pay (on jobs with pay higher than minimum wage) and north south divide.

@FleeceDog yes of course the school must be handling it badly, ffs. The department formally known as Public Health England and the local public health shut the year groups. Although with no teacher we would have had little other choice.

Red our area rates do not seem to reflect reality. Although we are South West and we're hardly affected before this September, so our student population don't have antibodies as very few caught it prior to September 21.

CornishGem1975

Any idea how many have or will die, due to treatment not being available, compared to 1 covid death?

But then again, how many would have died from covid, if the hospital hadn't been able to provide the care it did?

@CornishGem1975

Agree *@Pootle40*. Someone did a FOI request to our local hospital.

How many people with COVID had died
How many people died because of COVID

The figures were something like 394 had died with COVID, 1 had died because of COVID.

That would be interesting to read. All FOI reports and results are published on the NHS digital site but there are over 3000 since the beginning of 2020. I've had a quick look but can't quickly find specific ones. Can you remember when it was done?

'We cannot allow the liberties of the people of this country to be a tool of NHS capacity management.'

This sums it up. ^

The ONS data shows that nearly all of those have died of covid and that on average it has shortened lives by 10 years.
But people just don't want to hear the facts. They are happier to go to pubs, restaurants, parties, and on holiday and ignore what is happening. The numbers dying are now higher than this time last year. It is obvious where we are heading.

@bluetuesdayy

'We cannot allow the liberties of the people of this country to be a tool of NHS capacity management.'

This sums it up. ^

Nice sentiment. So it's fine if the NHS collapses? Then it means your child is ill in the middle of the night? What do you do? All those saying this is not just about covid are right.

@julieca they need to find another way of dealing with this. If we lockdown this winter then it will have been 2 years of lockdowns. When does it end? Covid isn't going to disappear.

@julieca obvious where we are heading? Numbers of deaths / in hospital aren't increasing at the rate they were in 2020.

I agree covid is not going to disappear. I don't know what the answer is. I know WHO right at the beginning said this would last at least two years. We had first lockdown in March 2020.
I just don't think ignoring what is happening is the solution either. Those saying this is what life is going to be like now are ignoring that would mean every winter schools closing, and shortages of staff as well as people on average dying younger. Is that really what we want?

@julieca

The ONS data shows that nearly all of those have died of covid and that on average it has shortened lives by 10 years. But people just don't want to hear the facts. They are happier to go to pubs, restaurants, parties, and on holiday and ignore what is happening. The numbers dying are now higher than this time last year. It is obvious where we are heading.

Pubs restaurants, parties and holidays are all vital parts of the economy and have been shut down for far too long. With them shut how would people continue their unhealthy lifestyles?

With them shut how would people continue their unhealthy lifestyles?

Uber eats.