Are we locking down again?

[Dancerinthedark01]

And if so will they do more of the furlough and shutting things down?

Schools?

Please No!

I’m reading that this might be happening.

@toolatetooearly

Of course there won't be another lockdown. Absolutely no way. Masks, WFH, passports maybe, but no Jan-March style lockdown. I'll give you all £100 each if there is, I'm that certain!

I'm screenshotting this. I'll hold you to it. 😁

I'd prefer them to do more now and avoid a full lockdown, the dithering and waiting never seems to work well.

Britain could do worse than look at what they are doing in Europe with vaccine passports and masks.

That is plan B, in fairness.

@Blinkingbatshit

I don’t reckon we’ll get a full lockdown but to be fair it’s all anyone’s guess🤷🏼‍♀️…..I don’t reckon even Boris knows what he’s planning to do one day to the next so it’s a bit pointless second guessing!! But I do think the nay sayers should maybe look back at the history of these threads…..does no one remember the mocking of those anticipating the first lockdown, when funnily enough they turned out to be right?! No one is gleefully rubbing their hands - people are just trying to prepare themselves for what may come…not everyone lives on an as & when basis.

Oh yes, I remember that thread. OP saying stop scaremongering, there will not be a lockdown, it'll never happen, you're all ridiculous...

It got deleted because apparently it was unfair on the op because of hindsight or something like that.

@CurlyhairedAssassin

There's not going to be another lockdown, not like there have been before. Before we were locking down until we had invented a vaccine. We all (well, most) waited patiently and once that was done we had lockdowns while we waited for the majority to get vaccinated. People didn't mind waiting and complying as there was an end goal. Now most of us have been vaccinated. Double vaccinated at that. And people are STILL getting COVID. Where and what is the end goal now?

I've done everything right. I've done exactly as the government has asked, all along. I've hardly gone anywhere socially, haven't travelled abroad etc, but I work in a school and have teenagers at school so hard to avoid general day to day spread that way. DH are double vaxxed, 17 year old has had his first one, 15 year old has consent for his first one. STILL DH and I both got COVID a few weeks ago.

I know full well that vaccination was never going to stop people getting COVID altogether, but when there are so many double vaxxed people getting it, I think it would be a DISASTER to try and put another lockdown in place. Because this time, what exactly would be waiting for? It's not going away. What they SHOULD be focussing on is funding the NHS properly. PROPERLY.

Sorry, too many CAPS but it all pisses me off, the misdirected energy.

Excellent post.

I’m sure the gov will try to lock us down but I hope everyone will ignore it.
Lockdowns are devastating and dangerous.

[quote BustopherPonsonbyJones]@Waxonwaxoff0
People won’t have a choice. I agree that many will ignore decisions to keep away from friends and family but if the government closes schools, brings back restrictions on numbers going into shops, reintroduces mask wearing, you really had no potion but to comply. When it comes to it, very few people dare to break the law - and they can’t anyway if businesses are ordered to close .

‘Plan B’ or whatever new name they will give restrictions is unlikely to be full on everywhere in the country but I think it will be regional and targeted. The government doesn’t want to do it but it may have to for short periods of time.

I agree the NHS isn’t fit for purpose but unless we raise taxes even higher (and how much higher) what can we do?[/quote]
People absolutely have a choice over whether to wear masks. It had essentially become a choice way before the law changed.

Also, shitloads of people happily break covid laws and did so even during the last lockdown. It doesn't take much 'dare' to have people in your home or go to someone else's when the chance of any sanction is so minimal. Some businesses operated illegally too.

@Geamhradh still wearing a mask. CEV, office with no ventilation/windows, waiting for my third vaccine as I'm immunocompromised and then probably a booster
My job can be done anywhere quiet, and I'm most definitely not middle class and working for minimum wage

Britain could do worse than look at what they are doing in Europe with vaccine passports and masks. Fewer deaths and lower rates of infection.

This. Oddly enough, the most anti-lockdown people on here also seem to be anti-mask and anti-any measures that acknowledge the virus still exists and is having pretty much its own virus party in the UK at present. I get that they want to pretend everything's normal again and they 'just want to live their lives' and 'only old/vulnerable people will die just like flu' but it seems so shortsighted and ostrich-like.

Why isn’t the big PCR results fiasco not being discussed more in the media/gov

Being swept under the carpet but it’s the cause of the Covid cases now being out of control

All of the 'let Covid run' people are you not at all curious about why the UK figures are so bad?
'Covid' isn't a robber or an entity. This situation, these figures, the deaths and the illnesses are all a result of government decisions. It's not the virus randomly selecting. It doesn't lie in the power of the universe. It is government policy that has brought us here.
And the policies are so inept that they have managed to bring the NHS to its knees; leave lots of children to manage unknown long-term health effects; trashed the economy and made the UK a cautionary tale across the world.
I'm struggling to believe that members of the UK general public think they'll never need healthcare; don't rate education; don't care about the UK's standing in the world and are completely disinterested in protecting the vulnerable.

That's a real breakdown in society, collective responsibility and community cohesion. It only benefits private healthcare providers, multinationals and other countries. Despite the vocal shrills on social media I don't believe the majority of the UK have shifted completely from all the values that represented us. The emptiest vessels make the loudest noises.

@toolatetooearly

Of course there won't be another lockdown. Absolutely no way. Masks, WFH, passports maybe, but no Jan-March style lockdown. I'll give you all £100 each if there is, I'm that certain!

Shall I DM you my PayPal now? Hope you’re rich. 🤭

I assume the medics are just trying to not get to a stage with ambulances queuing up outside A&E with no beds or staff for extremely ill people to go to.

I mean the fucking bastards eh!

So yes, we might need to do ‘this’….forever

This is another thing I don't get. It isn't possible to do 'this' forever. There will be nothing left to 'save' if we have to continue like this forever. There will be no travel industry left, no hospitality industry left, hundreds of thousands will be unemployed, more made homeless as a result. People will be at their wits end, isolated, mentally crippled. What will be left to 'save'? A health service that hasn't functioned properly for years? Yay

We won’t be doing this forever. It will turn into like flu. Enough of us will have some immunity because we’ve been vaccinated or had if before. The most vulnerable will have boosters every year. We’re still in the relatively early stages of a new disease.

@QueenofKattegat

So yes, we might need to do ‘this’….forever

This is another thing I don't get. It isn't possible to do 'this' forever. There will be nothing left to 'save' if we have to continue like this forever. There will be no travel industry left, no hospitality industry left, hundreds of thousands will be unemployed, more made homeless as a result. People will be at their wits end, isolated, mentally crippled. What will be left to 'save'? A health service that hasn't functioned properly for years? Yay

Precisely.

I assume the medics are just trying to not get to a stage with ambulances queuing up outside A&E with no beds or staff for extremely ill people to go to

Doesn't wash. Has happened every winter for years. My aunt died in an ambulance outside a hospital in December 2015 because they had no capacity. Remember the lockdown of 2014/2015? Me either.

@Crapoldwardrobe

Why isn’t the big PCR results fiasco not being discussed more in the media/gov

Being swept under the carpet but it’s the cause of the Covid cases now being out of control

I’d say it’s a big contributing factor but we also have several other scandals which are adding fuel to this fire.

School mitigation’s gone
Masks gone
Wfh gone
Travel restrictions gone
Isolation for close contacts gone

Instead we adopted the approach of let’s just ignore it, ignore the fact that it’s rife in schools, ignore the fact that thousands of CEV are petrified to leave their homes, ignore the fact that hardly anyone chooses to wear a face mask any more, ignore the fact that packed public transport is now almost back to precovid levels, ignore the fact that bars and clubs are packed, ignore the fact that DC may be positive but Parents and siblings are still free to mix and could be spreading to others, ignore the fact that hospital staff have been saying for weeks how busy they are.

So whilst the country collectively ignored Covid it seized he opportunities we presented and now we are facing a tough time. No one listened when people said what a mistake we were making to simply rely on vaccines alone with very minimal mitigation’s.

Under the carpet is so full it’s now bubbling away like something from a cartoon.

It is happening by the back door, we've just closed another two year groups, more than 2,500 students on line learning, not including all the others who currently have covid.
We are not even sure we can open after half term.

Thewiseone close contacts (ie family members) not isolating is the biggest cause of case rise in my MAT. These kids share a bedroom with the infected sibling and then came to school.

@QueenofKattegat

I assume the medics are just trying to not get to a stage with ambulances queuing up outside A&E with no beds or staff for extremely ill people to go to

Doesn't wash. Has happened every winter for years. My aunt died in an ambulance outside a hospital in December 2015 because they had no capacity. Remember the lockdown of 2014/2015? Me either.

It’s happened every year for years and will be worse this year.

[quote trumpisagit]@FinallySomeNormality
I would love to think that schools closing is a last resort, but it's already happening.
I know of private and state schools that gone online "until half term".
Hopefully that is a localised problem, but I am cross while pubs and nightclubs are open my children can't go to school. [/quote]
What part of the country are schools closing and going online already?

I see rates are high in the SW and Ipswich is the highest in England at the moment. These appear to be areas where previously numbers were low and where numbers were high are now much lower. It seems that the wave is finding the parts that previously escaped.

It's not going anywhere and it's doing what viruses do - mutate and learn to spread easier. It's the amount of deaths and hospital admissions that need to be closely looked at and a death not just written off as COVID if there were other factors and they likely would have died anyway from trauma, cancer etc.

Vaccines stop people getting so sick from it, like the flu vaccine does. We just have to learn to live with it and start funding the NHS properly.

@Regulus

It is happening by the back door, we've just closed another two year groups, more than 2,500 students on line learning, not including all the others who currently have covid. We are not even sure we can open after half term.

What part of the country is this? Just wondering since we have a higher infection rate than average for the country and not shutting or online here. So wondered how high it is where they are already shutting.

@QueenofKattegat

I assume the medics are just trying to not get to a stage with ambulances queuing up outside A&E with no beds or staff for extremely ill people to go to

Doesn't wash. Has happened every winter for years. My aunt died in an ambulance outside a hospital in December 2015 because they had no capacity. Remember the lockdown of 2014/2015? Me either.

That's true. We've been hearing for the past decade (or more) about people dying in the corridors because there were no beds, or not even getting into the hospital. This is not a new problem.