Plan B

[edisonbulb]

Are they nudging us to plan B with the presser on Sunday the articles in the papers the headlines on Sky and BBC being the worst in Europe.

I can't see another lockdown happening but masks easy fix and work from home well for some.

Can someone please explain to me what the problem with the vaccine passport is?

Oh how I wish I lived in a sensible country taking reasonable precautions.

I have no idea what plan A or B is-please could someone explain? I feel like I've missed something.

@Itisasecret

We needed not to just rely on vaccines.

They should've 'done' the teens in the summer.

They shouldn't have abolished household contacts especially.

Masks in certain situations.

Not keeping a class open when over half have covid.

Sped up the boosters.

Just common sense things you know? All too late for it now.

Which makes me immensely cross as it is just dragging it out for worse and longer. My children deserve to have a normal shot at life. Not this.

Why would you vaccinate healthy teenagers against something that is extremely low risk to them? Moreover, inject them with something that has had no long term studies and the manufactures themselves cannot be held accountable for any side effects?

We have masks mandated in Scotland - our ‘numbers’ are awful. Clearly not working.

We have masks mandated in Scotland - our ‘numbers’ are awful. Clearly not working.

Those aren't masks. Those are face coverings. Which they don't enforce properly and people can self-declare themselves exempt from.

@FlatteredFool

I have no idea what plan A or B is-please could someone explain? I feel like I've missed something.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/proposal-for-mandatory-covid-certification-in-a-plan-b-scenario-call-for-evidence

@whatswithtodaytoday the biggest problem with the covid passport is the loss of freedom of movement in your own country unless you have met the requirements placed upon you by the government of that country.
Today the requirement is to receive a vaccination (possibly every 6 months) regardless of your personal risk or previous adverse reaction. Once it is a well established part of everyday life, what else will you be required to do in order to keep it valid? That is the problem. Sounds like a conspiracy theory maybe but then so did the concept of vaccine passports about 12 months ago.

@whatswithtodaytoday
Creates a two tear society.
Medical information is personal and should not need to be shared to go to the pub.
Removes elements of freedom.
No evidence that they work.
People need a 3rd jag to be “fully” protected but the same persons only need 2 jags to have the passport…doesn’t make sense.
Putting pressure on people to have medical intervention that has no long term research - specifically young people and/ or pregnant women.
Costly to businesses, again with no evidence to back the decision.

@UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername

The unvaccinated are not causing excess hospitalisations or deaths In Ireland, 90% of adults are vaccinated. Only 30% of ICU patients are unvaccinated. That means that 70% of the ICU patients are coming from only 10% of the population. The unvaccinated are very definitely having a disproportionate impact on the health system.

So what you're saying is that 70 % of people in ICU in Ireland are vaccinated.

If they're introducing vaccine passports they better be introducing antibody passports too.

This shit has gone on for way too long.

The other problem with them of course is the glaringly obvious fact that despite everybody sitting in the same restaurant as you being vaccinated, or else they wouldn’t be allowed in there, they could still be carrying and spreading covid.
Just today there is a story in France about a care home where every staff member is vaccinated and all of the residents have recently received their 3rd dose having an outbreak of 24 covid cases.

Those aren't masks. Those are face coverings. Which they don't enforce properly and people can self-declare themselves exempt from.

So these things they have been telling us to wear for past year are pointless, so we need to wear something else which may turn out to be pointless.

@whatswithtodaytoday

Can someone please explain to me what the problem with the vaccine passport is?

Oh how I wish I lived in a sensible country taking reasonable precautions.

From what I understand the main issue is that given as you can still catch and transmit covid if vaccinated, domestic passports are just a political tool to make it look like the government are doing something useful. They have them in Israel and it doesn't seem to have done a great deal there to reducd numbers. It has however caused civil unrest once people who had valid passports had theirs recinded because they didn't want a booster.

@whatswithtodaytoday

Can someone please explain to me what the problem with the vaccine passport is?

Oh how I wish I lived in a sensible country taking reasonable precautions.

The passports don't protect anyone. They are just a tool used to coerce people into getting the vaccine.

@edisonbulb thank you

I really question the effectiveness of masks. Both disposable and fabric are re-used.
People use their phones, touch their masks etc.

I think it will be hard to enforce restrictions again. Yes I suppose they can close schools and non-essential shops again, but I can't see anyone complying with restrictions.
I know in last lockdown several neighbours had people over, family, friends, play dates... People will still mix.
There will also be a lot of upset that people did have the vaccines which were pushed, we're still learning about short term effects of if, and if there are restrictions againwhat was the point? There will be a huge backlash.
With the vaccine and covid, immunity varies from person to person, there is now boosters. Eventually they'll just do winter boosters for same groups as flu vaccine.

@CuriousUnderTheStairs

So what you're saying is that 70 % of people in ICU in Ireland are vaccinated.

The following sentence that states: That means that 70% of the ICU patients are coming from only 10% of the population. makes it pretty clear that the poster had a typo in their post.

In Ireland, only 30% of ICU patients are vaccinated, with 70% in ICU unvaccinated.

Those numbers make it very clear that vaccinations are working.

Thank you all for the explanations. So the problem is that they encourage people to get vaccinated, I get it. I suppose as I don't see that as a problem, I don't have a problem with the passports.

@Againstmachine

Those aren't masks. Those are face coverings. Which they don't enforce properly and people can self-declare themselves exempt from.

So these things they have been telling us to wear for past year are pointless, so we need to wear something else which may turn out to be pointless.

They are pointless. Places that did the whole thing properly from the beginning can prove that it’s not pointless if done correctly though.

Just today there is a story in France about a care home where every staff member is vaccinated and all of the residents have recently received their 3rd dose having an outbreak of 24 covid cases.

I’m assuming half of those 24 Covid cases aren’t dying or being sent straight to the ICU? Because that’s what used to happen 12 months ago when there was such an outbreak.

Vaccine doesn’t stop transmission and we all know it. It reduces transmission and greatly prevents the risk of ending up severely ill and hospitalised.

I really hope we’re not going to have to WFH full time again. From a selfish point of view It’s going to be a nightmare as we’re having a new kitchen sometime over the winter and I don’t know how I’ll be able to WFH when that’s being done!

On the subject of masks, someone upthread mentioned ffp2 masks being mandated. Whose going to pay for that? I certainly won’t be buying them. I grudgingly wear a fabric one but I’m not wearing disposable ones let alone forking our for ffp2!

@UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername

The unvaccinated are not causing excess hospitalisations or deaths In Ireland, 90% of adults are vaccinated. Only 30% of ICU patients are unvaccinated. That means that 70% of the ICU patients are coming from only 10% of the population. The unvaccinated are very definitely having a disproportionate impact on the health system.

Indeed. Thd conspiracy theorists spreading that unvaccinated don't cause hospital cases and deaths 😔 .

Simple facts are that cases have risen and most amongst the unvaccinated ie children.... so vaccine does work. More need to be vaccinated to get on top of this before winter.

Well, where I live the government lowered their cost when they became compulsory. Now they’re €0.60 a piece on average (instead of 5 quid for one), and the government also issued advice (put together by scientists) on how to air and reuse them safely.

I know kids are able to get some from school if coming from disadvantaged households. But the majority of the population just adds a fiver or less to their monthly shop, for FFP2s.

But then, this is a country that also provided parents with two lump sums of €500 extra child benefit during the pandemic, to make sure families weren’t going without at any point.

My husband and I have both been working from home since the start of covid so nothing would change there for us- both local councils. And we still wear masks in shops so not sure what changes there would be for us

Can they just get on with the inevitable, bloody stupid to carry in burying our heads in the sand

The glaringly obvious issue with vaccine passports is that the vaccine doesn't stop people catching or spreading covid so is not only discriminatory but utterly pointless. Ten friends went out for a fortieth birthday to a club last week, 8 now have covid, two pretty badly. All double jabbed. Not even allowing the option of a negative test is ridiculous.