Plan B

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Are they nudging us to plan B with the presser on Sunday the articles in the papers the headlines on Sky and BBC being the worst in Europe.

I can't see another lockdown happening but masks easy fix and work from home well for some.

@MarshaBradyo

NHS Confederation isn’t close enough to have full data nor will they be advising.

I agree that’s why he mentions we need to act now because we’re facing the perfect storm of winter, rising cases and waiting lists.

Mr Taylor said: "The question is, is it better to act early or do we wait for things to get worse and possibly risk having to take more severe measures."
The NHS chief went on to warn about the issue of waning immunity from vaccines, which "does look as though" it is driving up cases.
He said: "It is absolutely vital that people take up the opportunity of the booster jab.
"The reality is those numbers are rising and are continuing to rise which is why we need to act now.
"If we don't act now, already we're in a situation where it is likely in two or three weeks that things are going to be worse, that's why we need to act immediately."

@GoldenOmber is wearing a mask and wfh really the same as being shut up in the house? 🤔

@Thewiseoneincognito no indoor meetings is, yes.

[quote Thewiseoneincognito]@GoldenOmber is wearing a mask and wfh really the same as being shut up in the house? 🤔[/quote]
Wearing a mask and WFH will not drive cases down (and vaccine passports, and secondary school masks, and social distancing in public spaces) will not drive down cases much. I say this because several parts of the UK are already doing this and it is not driving cases down at all.

Discouraging or outlawing “unnecessary indoor gatherings” is a bit more than that though. Which is why the very thing you quoted talked about a “Plan B plus”, isn’t it?

Well I have just read plan b possibles and they can forget it
If international travel is allowed then no way im not doing indoor gatherings with my family etc
We all still wear a mask anyway when inside shops etc and use sanitiser and dh wfh at moment but due to injury his job means he has to go out and my new job is possible to do wfh but also some office needed so we can only do what out companies allow.

It is absolutely vital that people take up the opportunity of the booster jab.

I agree with this message and recent focus on higher case numbers will help.

But the rest is understandable from him but a big like the letter from scientists. It’ll cause media interest which is fine - see boosters

Discouraging indoor meetings is basically a lock down but making people feel guilty as opposed to enforcing .
But why people are free to travel ( though other countries may not want us very soon) they can forget it
What is unnecessary indoor gatherings ?
Surely thats all going for a meal , to the pub etc , theatre, sport therefore basically a lock down

I’ll say it again, there won’t be another lockdown, massive focus will be put on the economic damage that would be caused by another lockdown for a few short days/weeks in the media and then vaccine passports will be presented as the only available option to ensure the economy can keep going. It’s already played out in Europe like that, the uk are gearing up to do the same.

Also we can't take up booster vaccines we haven't been offered
Lot of the cases around me are in kids that haven't had an injection yet or like my son who has had just one dose and at 16 thats seems like all he is getting

The hospitalisation and death graph is still largely stable, that’s all that matters when the majority of the public are protected from covid by vaccines, previous infection or even their younger age.

@Lostinacloud I think you are right , seems vaccine passports are used in some European countries and its just been accepted

@QueenofKattegat

What do you honestly think masks will do? Scotland have mandatory masks - look at their case rates.

The vast, vast majority of people will keep the same mask in their car/coat pocket and pull it out when forced to wear one. What use do you honestly believe this is?

Masks are a measure to appease the anxious. Nothing more.

Most European countries have masks and they mostly use decent ffp2 or 3 masks which help much more than “a bit of dirty cloth in your pocket”.

They also have way less cases, deaths and hospitalisations than us.

Scotland’s following of the rule is hampered by England having no rules and the dire messaging on masks here that leads to people keeping them loose in their pocket.

Just because messaging on how and which masks to use in this country has been woeful doesn’t mean they don’t work.

@zafferana thats what it seems around here , many teenagers getting then taking it home

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Lostinacloud I think you are right , seems vaccine passports are used in some European countries and its just been accepted [/quote]
They did have protests

I’m not sure if we’ll get it here. Nor if it’s that useful when so many will have had Covid or vaccine

@Lostinacloud

The hospitalisation and death graph is still largely stable, that’s all that matters when the majority of the public are protected from covid by vaccines, previous infection or even their younger age.

But at press conferences they said huge rise in cases has 3 week lag with hospital admissions and deaths are baked in. So 3 weeks time is result of most days having 43 to 49k infections each day. Vaccine won't provide immediate protection takes a few weeks.

@Bunsnbobbins you can't force everyone to wear that kind of mask very easily
As a country we are not as compliant look at the uproar about vaccine passports , yet European countries seem to have it and its fine they seem to follow here people aren't so easily told and I also think fed up as its been going on so long and as its not likely to just disappear , how long do you keep measures for
Italy are not far behind the uk and not sure what type of masks they have ?
Plus we have to remember not all countries report the same or test the same

@MarshaBradyo oh right didn't know their were protests , on here people always say how they have just accepted it and everyone follows no issues etc etc

[quote worriedatthemoment]@MarshaBradyo oh right didn't know their were protests , on here people always say how they have just accepted it and everyone follows no issues etc etc [/quote]
True people do seem like that on here

@worriedatthemoment France have had protests against the vaccine passport for 13 consecutive Saturdays in over 200 towns and cities. It will never be reported on mainstream media though and attendee numbers are consistently played down by the government. One Saturday in August the french police estimated around 3 million
Protesters. That same weekend the french government stated that there were around 250,000.

According to Twitter, Austria, Italy and Holland and Canada also have regular protests against the vaccine passport. I’m sure there will be more but we only get to hear about protests these days if there are 20-30 protesters sitting in the middle of the M25.

@bluetuesdayy

"but also we should try to achieve the kind of national mobilisation that we achieved in the first and second waves, where the public went out of their way to support and help the health service"

This pisses me off. We all stayed at home. Our children missed out on education. We got vaccinated. And now we are potentially being asked AGAIN to save the NHS by missing out on seeing our loved ones. The responsibility seems to be on us to curtail our lives and not the government or the NHS. The NHS are seriously over estimating how much good will is left towards them.

Don’t blame the nhs. If we’d kept some kind of mitigations since “freedom day” we wouldn’t be here.

You should be angry on those removing all the rules and even masks prematurely, those refusing to put ventilation into schools, not those working very hard as a result of the mess.

I’m sure I read about protests in media here

I don’t think it was hidden but I agree many countries had them

Lots of protests about Covid passes in Italy at the moment. The ones last weekend were orchestrated by the far right movement (Forza Nuova) whose leaders have now been arrested. They raided and vandalized a trade union (CGIL- also ironically anti green pass) HQ and the ER of a hospital.
www.ansa.it/english/news/2021/10/11/calls-for-fn-to-be-banned-after-green-pass-protest-violence_042ae930-fabd-4f68-a987-1ae05819f9bc.html

There's an ongoing protest in Trieste at the port authority due to it now being law that workplaces need Covid passes- that protest is in some respect legitimate as many of the port workers protesting are illegal- paid cash in hand and are immigrants mainly from Romania. The port "employs" them and is happy to do so when it suits, but of course these workers are off the grid as far as vaccine passes go. Big expose about it on TV yesterday.

Of course there are people who don't like it - it has about 66% - 75% support in France according to polls I've seen here, depending on the place it's needed so there is dissent. But they are just anti everything, anti mask, anti lockdown anti vaccine so it's hard to take them too seriously. And the weather's still nice here, so the protests are a fun day out for them - they get to dust off the old yellow jacket too, meet their mates at the roundabout.

The NHS are screeching for 'Plan C'. There are less people in hospital now than in September. They are 'at the brink' every winter. We shouldn't have to lockdown down repeatedly to prop them up