How will ever get out of this?

[Toria84]

Cases are continually rising, vaccines don’t stop transmission, vaccines don’t prevent infection.

You can be infected with Covid more than once and by the looks of things we will need a vaccine every 6 months.

How will we ever move on from how things are now? How can things change?

It’s absolutely rife in my area and in my DS school.

Are we now just expected to accept these levels of infection, hospitalisations and death?

There are 130 Covid patients in our local hospital which isn’t far off the number of the second wave!

Hardly dangerous! Vast majority are likely asymptomatic kids!

So ridiculously dramatic! Most dying now would likely die of a cold hence why vast majority have moved on

You should do the same!

I just agree we get on with it. I've never had Covid but know plenty of people who have.

@rrhuth

There is no evidence of that happening in the data though amazing

Cases are spiking in the secondary school year groups and on a slow rise in primary but are flat in all other age groups.

@watapalava I'm not fearful or anxious at all for myself - I am healthy, vaccinated and have a fortunate work and home set up. You can imply I have mental health problems if you like but I think that is a cheap trick.

I simply think the way the UK is handling Covid is completely stupid. I have stopped bothering to sugar coat my views because I am sick of reading the same stupidity over and over again.

There is nothing I have said that is unrealistic - all I have said is that The UK should be doing more to keep Covid controlled to moderate levels. I have suggested we shoudl have vaccinated teens earlier. I have suggested that Europe is doing better at keeping cases at moderate levels.

Do you really believe that the majority of doctors and scientists in the UK think this situation is good?

[quote rrhuth]@Sunshinegirl82 it is not my 'position' it is just numbers on charts and graphs.

If you have some other data then go ahead and share.[/quote]
@Bordois best me to it!

You can imply I have mental health problems if you like but I think that is a cheap trick.

Go on, sling some more insults around like thick, stupid and dumb

Likely not because the U.K. doctors and scientists only look at health of patients

There is a lot more than health to consider

Thee have been recent scientists/doctors only yesterday calling for all testing of kids to stop ….

Sage et al consider science and health

You do realise the economic fallouts can also cause and lead to worse outcomes affecting many more

Thank god we have a government to balance and look at ALL data

I have been pretty open about the fact that I think being fine with this level of Covid is stupid, yes.

Our NHS is unable to function, and schools are constantly disrupted. The economy is being harmed every day due to the disruption.

It is a mess.

You do realise the economic fallouts can also cause and lead to worse outcomes affecting many more yes, and the way we are (not) handling it is making the economic impacts worse than in those countries where it is better controlled.

The policies are absolutely thick, in terms of health, education, economy and well being.

Cases are spiking in the secondary school year groups and on a slow rise in primary but are flat in all other age groups

Thanks for the charts. I don’t see why this isn’t a good thing - the flatness etc

Which I know you are saying

But just generally, once the school age spikes then there’s higher immunity there

@CiaoEB

I think it’s helpful to adjust the way you think about it. We’ve been spending so long thinking about covid that we’ve wasted almost two years of our lives. It’s not going away so how much more of your life are you willing to give up, two years, twenty? Yes we will probably all get covid at some point, most will be fine, some will get very sick and some will die but you can get many things in your life and some you survive and some you won’t, that’s just reality. But you’re alive now and living in endless fear and paranoia is just wasting what’s left of your life so you may as well go out and make the most of it.

agree 100%

The UK response to COVID was too strict for a long time (can’t leave your house, schools closed forever, pingdemic) and now it is too lenient (no rules, no reaction to rising numbers). Other countries are adapting better to the situation.

I think lurching from one extreme to another wasn’t a good strategy.
Every single time you come out of lockdown cases sky rocket. As we have seen.

How’s Sweden currently doing? I thought I read recently they had zero deaths. Just checked, yes 0... Average for the week we 7.

@SantiagoSky

The UK response to COVID was too strict for a long time (can’t leave your house, schools closed forever, pingdemic) and now it is too lenient (no rules, no reaction to rising numbers). Other countries are adapting better to the situation.

And it was too late in the first place.

It’s a shame that the government thinks of the general population as being like children. Yes you get idiots but most people are sensible and will follow measures. I’m not convinced we need a massive lockdown but just a bit of pragmatism.

I hope so but feel winter will be hard abd spring will improve.
We need more vaccinated and some mitigating measures like mandatory masks which I think is plan b

@Iggly It’s a shame that the government thinks of the general population as being like children. Yes you get idiots but most people are sensible and will follow measures. I’m not convinced we need a massive lockdown but just a bit of pragmatism.

Unfortunately a fair proportion of people won't "be sensible and follow measures". Just before the first lockdown, on the Friday Boris announced pubs would have to close that day. Pubs around here were suddenly packed and spilling out onto the roads as people were literally fighting to get to the bar for "one last pint" before closure. It's was crazy and the police had to come to shut a few pubs due to the punters blocking the roads outside. That's not being sensible - it's people being stupid!

What is this ‘immunity?’

I know a fair few people who’ve had it more than once. There is no herd immunity.

I think that the expectation is that herd immunity would mean the virus would get weaker - and hopefully die out

They also hoped that the second or third time you got Covid (providing you were up to date with vaccinations) it would be much milder

I worry that actually the virus won't get weaker and that we won't be able to manage everyone going for a vaccination every SIX MONTHS - maybe for the rest of their lives

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

It’s the same immunity we get from common colds. We get them repeatedly throughout our lives and they make us feel a bit crap for a week or two. This absolutely is a level of immunity.

No one generally dies from a cold, not with the amount of exposure we have all had since infancy.

@LaurieFairyCake

You’re catastrophising. It’s only six months currently due to how novel the disease is.

It will be yearly soon enough, I mean that’s not too hard to envisage it’s nothing new really is it? That’s why we have annual flu vaccinations.

Well it's quite different surely? Covid kills the younger a multiple of 10 compared to flu

And resistance wanes in 6 months

And much more importantly we do what 19mn of the population with a flu vaccine - we apparently need to do 90% for Covid - that is a MASSIVE investment needed

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

What is this ‘immunity?’

I know a fair few people who’ve had it more than once. There is no herd immunity.

Yep, and double jabbers like me holed up in bed with it.

Yes we have to I've with it. And stop testing. Deaths are not really spiking the way they were with vaccinations doing their job and better treatments. The reason we are finding more and more cases is because a lot of the population are lateral flow testing frequently. Covid will become like a cold in time - multiple infections over a course of a lifetime.

And I've known 50+ of people who have had Covid. 2 have ended up in hospital. Most have had worse colds - sorry to stop the hysteria