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Increasing number of cases

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AutumnAlmanack · 18/10/2021 09:49

Could anyone please explain to me why it is that the UK is recording such a high number of daily cases, and rising, whereas the rest of Europe and elsewhere seem to be showing a steady decline in numbers? It really baffles me!

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PurpleDaisies · 18/10/2021 18:24

You really think 15% of kids 12-16 vaccinated is good @TableFlowerss? What would bad look like? Here loads are having to delay because they caught Covid when they went back to school and can’t have a vaccine for four weeks afterwards. Totally avoidable if it had been done earlier. Loads round here are reporting vaccine clinics at school are being cancelled. It’s been a mess compared to the adult roll out.

GoldenOmber · 18/10/2021 18:26

Are 12-15s in England going to be allowed to use drop-in centres soon? School programmes really don’t seem to be going fast enough.

walksen · 18/10/2021 18:28

"Because we are testing more."

Certainly not thinking more....

"Cases don’t mean illnesses."

Wrong again. Yes they do. A certain albeit low percentage of people are hospitalised. This is a small percentage which decreases at lower age groups but there still a correlation between the two. It is weaker than pre vaccines but still exists. The NHS will have increasing covid hospitalisations over the next two weeks or so because of the upward trend in cases.

Itisasecret · 18/10/2021 18:30

I maybe cynical and I really hope not because I’d like my child to have a decent year at uni.

I think it will go like this:

Let everyone spend at half term (like last year). Realise oh shit this isn’t working. The SW in particular could be in real trouble soon with bed capacity. Bring back masks/wfh maybe at a push bubbles. Some schools have been told to do this by local public health teams anyway. It’s not out of possibility,

By Christmas, a lot of people are skint and can’t afford their fuel bill. A real winter of discontent is brewing anyway shortage this and that with inflation. Cases didn’t drop enough at half term. Cases really feeding through as our booster rollout is shit. Then into lockdown. Everyone is miserable anyway, let’s compound it.

It’s bet my house that’s plan B and it really needn’t be if they’d got their house in order first. Boris, I’m looking at you.

Howshouldibehave · 18/10/2021 18:30

I was quite impressed with the uptake and assume it’s correct

Riiight Confused

1forAll74 · 18/10/2021 18:31

Too many types of freedoms , too soon.

BarefootHippieChick · 18/10/2021 18:32

@GoldenOmber

Are 12-15s in England going to be allowed to use drop-in centres soon? School programmes really don’t seem to be going fast enough.
I heard something to the effect this is being considered, it really needs to be. The problem is, in my area its primary schools with huge numbers of cases and closures, not Secondary schools.
Chosennone · 18/10/2021 18:33

I work in a school too and we seem to have peaked. Anyone else notice that?
In week 3 we had over 100 kids and staff off with Covid! This week there are 32. It shot up really quickly and then had steadily come right back down. This, albeit small sample, had reassured me that we may be experiencing a natural peak.

nordica · 18/10/2021 18:36

@Delatron

It is baffling re:masks. Why didn’t they work so well for France earlier in the year? Maybe the masks are different masks now. Magic masks.
Well, yes - I'm not actually sure about France but I know in Germany and Switzerland for example they specifically require FFP2 grade masks now on public transport at least so that is what people tend to wear. The rules changed at some point earlier this year. Those offer much better protection than the flimsy one layer fabric ones or blue surgical masks most in the UK have worn when it was mandatory here.
MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2021 18:37

@Chosennone

I work in a school too and we seem to have peaked. Anyone else notice that? In week 3 we had over 100 kids and staff off with Covid! This week there are 32. It shot up really quickly and then had steadily come right back down. This, albeit small sample, had reassured me that we may be experiencing a natural peak.
Same here. Decreasing so the graph is quite low now.
frumpety · 18/10/2021 18:37

I keep looking at the number of cases versus the number of admissions,

22 December last year, approx 45 thousand cases and 2,500 admissions, number of people in hospital just over 21,000.

Last week, similar number of cases and approx 750 admissions, number of people in hospital just over 7,000.

User135644 · 18/10/2021 18:38

Too slow to get vaccines in teenagers before school term because of all the moaning from the anti-vaxers.

No mitigation to stop it spreading in schools

No mask mandates

Social distancing out the window

'Get back to the office because our donors say so'.

All of the above

TableFlowerss · 18/10/2021 18:38

@PurpleDaisies

You really think 15% of kids 12-16 vaccinated is good *@TableFlowerss*? What would bad look like? Here loads are having to delay because they caught Covid when they went back to school and can’t have a vaccine for four weeks afterwards. Totally avoidable if it had been done earlier. Loads round here are reporting vaccine clinics at school are being cancelled. It’s been a mess compared to the adult roll out.
If you read the context in which I wrote, it’s not a bad thing, that I didn’t mean ‘it’s good’ in general.

I meant considering there is such a rise in cases, it would be even more concerning to know that 85% of kids have been vaccinated because there’s nothing more that could be done after that.

The fact that only 15% are vaccinated means there’s still more that can be done, being hurrying up and vaccinating those kids that want/are allowed to be done

User135644 · 18/10/2021 18:38

@frumpety

I keep looking at the number of cases versus the number of admissions,

22 December last year, approx 45 thousand cases and 2,500 admissions, number of people in hospital just over 21,000.

Last week, similar number of cases and approx 750 admissions, number of people in hospital just over 7,000.

They need to get a move on with boosters
Kingstonmumof1 · 18/10/2021 18:40

I dare say the earlier rollout of the vaccine to teens is having more benefit to the French than the masks. When I was in France recently the mask usage was 100% but there was no distancing at all, whereas people still (mostly) give you space in public areas where I live in England.

TableFlowerss · 18/10/2021 18:40

@Howshouldibehave

I was quite impressed with the uptake and assume it’s correct

Riiight Confused

So you don’t think 85% uptake would have been good?…..
lescompagnonsdeloue · 18/10/2021 18:41

@Delatron

It is baffling re:masks. Why didn’t they work so well for France earlier in the year? Maybe the masks are different masks now. Magic masks.
How did they not work? The cases were higher because we had no vaccinations. Or health passes.
PrincessNutNuts · 18/10/2021 18:44

@frumpety

I keep looking at the number of cases versus the number of admissions,

22 December last year, approx 45 thousand cases and 2,500 admissions, number of people in hospital just over 21,000.

Last week, similar number of cases and approx 750 admissions, number of people in hospital just over 7,000.

That's because of vaccination reducing the % of covid cases requiring hospitalisation, and around half the cases being children who are significantly less likely to require hospitalisation.

As cases rise in number and also up through the age groups, hospitalisations will rise with them.

Especially as immunity wanes.

Delatron · 18/10/2021 18:46

Yes that’s my point. Vaccinations bring cases down far more (and then you have the waves of the virus).

Our cases now are not far above what France’s were in April. Yet nobody is wearing a mask. And in April you were. But still had 30,000 cases per day. Maybe that was your exit wave and this is ours.

Vaccinations have far more impact than masks.

But anyway. Do you know how long children will need to carry on wearing masks in school for?

Delatron · 18/10/2021 18:47

Obviously some people are still wearing masks but not enough to have an impact (if you believe they make a huge impact)

Delatron · 18/10/2021 18:49

I also think the early roll out to teens has had far more impact on French cases than mask wearing. And controversially the lack of a third lockdown.

User135644 · 18/10/2021 18:50

@Delatron

Yes that’s my point. Vaccinations bring cases down far more (and then you have the waves of the virus).

Our cases now are not far above what France’s were in April. Yet nobody is wearing a mask. And in April you were. But still had 30,000 cases per day. Maybe that was your exit wave and this is ours.

Vaccinations have far more impact than masks.

But anyway. Do you know how long children will need to carry on wearing masks in school for?

The key is getting boosters in over 50s and a vaccine in teenagers before the worst of the winter hits (and flu jabs).

If not we're sleep walking into lockdown again by Christmas.

Masks will mitigate it slightly but vaccines are key.

walksen · 18/10/2021 18:50

"But anyway. Do you know how long children will need to carry on wearing masks in school for"

Kids have never "needed" to wear masks. It has always been optional and completely unenforceable. You might as well ask how long do we need to wear masks in shops for?

Answer you don't - but you can choose to

Howshouldibehave · 18/10/2021 18:50

So you don’t think 85% uptake would have been good?…..

I think it would have been very good.

I know enough about schools to have known it clearly wasn’t true though.

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2021 18:52

But anyway. Do you know how long children will need to carry on wearing masks in school for?

Odd reply below. But yes I’m interested too