Age 12-15, are they now 'fully vaxcinated' after one jab?

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My son age 14 has had one dose of Pfizer at school and apparently that age group are only getting one. Does that mean he will be classed as "fully vaccinated" for travel to Europe and will no longer have to do fit to fly pre departure PCRs?

I cynically think this is purely to keep the private pcr business afloat (government friends!).

Vaccine passports shouldn't even be an option

Can't believe countries have gone down this route.

If vaccines stopped transmission and getting it then I could understand, but they don't

The latest PHE Vaccine Surveillance report now reports that the vaccinated are testing positive at a higher rate than the unvaccinated for every age group from 30-39 up ...

Link to government file

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf

[quote Sagaaaats]Vaccine passports shouldn't even be an option

Can't believe countries have gone down this route.

If vaccines stopped transmission and getting it then I could understand, but they don't

The latest PHE Vaccine Surveillance report now reports that the vaccinated are testing positive at a higher rate than the unvaccinated for every age group from 30-39 up ...

Link to government file

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf[/quote]
Ssssh you aren't allowed to post actual data, I posted this yesterday and it was promptly removed by MNHQ

My ds is 12 and hasn’t even had a sniff of a vaccine yet perhaps Gloucestershire has been forgotten 🙄

@Whyevencare

If you post an actual link to the ACTUAL data released by PHE (it's page 12 btw). Surely they can't call you an antivax conspiracy theorist

I mean this table is literally showing that per 100,000 people everyone over 30+ has a higher rate than the unvaxxed.

Vaccines passports are about control not health and that file proves it 100%

When someone who is double jabbed can go anywhere without a test, but someone who tests negative is banned

In Austria

‘’Children up to the age of 17 are able to enter Austria with no need to quarantine if accompanied by fully vaccinated or recovered adults, but from the ages of 12 to 17 they also have to show proof of a negative test/past infection/vaccination.‘’

So here is doesn’t really matter if under 17 have 0,1,2 vaccines, it’s basically off parents vaccination status.
If parents aren’t vaccinated it’s test and 10 day quarantine and children will have to do that too (or 5 with extra tests)

[quote Sagaaaats]@Whyevencare

If you post an actual link to the ACTUAL data released by PHE (it's page 12 btw). Surely they can't call you an antivax conspiracy theorist

I mean this table is literally showing that per 100,000 people everyone over 30+ has a higher rate than the unvaxxed.

Vaccines passports are about control not health and that file proves it 100%

When someone who is double jabbed can go anywhere without a test, but someone who tests negative is banned[/quote]
To be fair I didn't post the link but only a graph from the link. My post was also quickly debunked by several deniers

@Whyevencare
Always link to the official data

It's the only way!

@Whyevencare thank you for this link. Much appreciated

I'd like to know regarding this as my DC has a school trip booked for next year in Italy. I've specifically asked if the vaccine is required but have been told no.

I've been trying to find the answer to this for ages.

We have a big family holiday booked to the states next July. As I understand it at the moment 12 year olds will have to quarantine for 10 days - sort of ruins a 2 week holiday.

I truly believe that in the coming weeks, all those 12 + will be called for their second dose.

@plumpuddisnice

I'd like to know regarding this as my DC has a school trip booked for next year in Italy. I've specifically asked if the vaccine is required but have been told no.

They'll have to test before entry and every 48 hours under current guidelines, which may of course change before next year. There is some discrepancy between the UK gov guide and the Italian one however, noticed on other threads. The Italian gov UK info says if not fully (2x) vaccinated then 5days quarantine, irrespective of age. The UK gov website doesn't mention this.

We found this frustrating when going away for Scottish half term with our 12 year old (who has had a single dose).

They were considered NOT fully vaccinated anywhere. Our choice of destination was therefore mostly determined by how they treated unvaccinated 12-16 year olds.

For some EU countries, they require a pre-travel PCR test for this age group. Some accept lateral flow (e.g. Greece). Some destinations / activities, you're basically out of luck, and are insisting on fully vaccinated status for anyone 12+.

I'm not 100% sure this will be remedied soon, because the medical authorities here clearly have one eye on the cardiac inflammation issues being seen in younger groups. So, I suspect the government will want strong air cover from the experts before it caves to pressure from holidaymaking parents.

Dd has just had covid so now I think we will wait until they agree to give this age group 2 doses.

The genuine PHE file (,not the screenshot with the anti Vax message posted above it, has the figures on p13 and shows the total opposite to what pp claim btw.

I can't work out anywhere to go on holiday - is Greece ok for this age group with a pcr? No restrictions on entry to restaurants ?

I definitely found something on the Italian website saying over 12 ok with vaccinated adults…I’ll try to track it down!

@DorotheaDiamond

I definitely found something on the Italian website saying over 12 ok with vaccinated adults…I’ll try to track it down!

That would be helpful- there were a few people looking. I'm actually IN Italy and could only find the one-size-fits-all statement!

@littlestmunchkin

I can't work out anywhere to go on holiday - is Greece ok for this age group with a pcr? No restrictions on entry to restaurants ?

Greece is fine, at least on the Greek islands. They accept pre-travel lateral flow or PCR as proof of COVID status (one of the few countries happy with a lateral flow pre-travel, as proof).

Once there, no one checks anything at all, there is mask wearing indoors, however - loosely observed / enforced.

The TUI website is amongst the clearest set of collated and up to date info on all this, by the way.

www.tui.co.uk/destinations/info/entry-requirements

@Geamhradh

The genuine PHE file (,not the screenshot with the anti Vax message posted above it, has the figures on p13 and shows the total opposite to what pp claim btw.

The file is here

Page 12/13

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1025358/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-41.pdf

Literally double the cases in the vaxxed in all ages 30+. Per 100,000

Did you read the bit underneath about interpreting case numbers with caution due to the higher proportion of people who are vaccinated in the population?

Maybe better to look at the tables that come after that where more unvaccinated people need hospital treatment and more unvaccinated people are dying.

It’s almost like people who don’t want to get vaccinated don’t want to take tests either. How strange.

@dementedpixie

Did you read the bit underneath about interpreting case numbers with caution due to the higher proportion of people who are vaccinated in the population?

Maybe better to look at the tables that come after that where more unvaccinated people need hospital treatment and more unvaccinated people are dying.

Did you see the part where it says

RATES per 100,000