The great South west PCR mystery

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They say they investigating when we going to find out outcome?

inews.co.uk/news/covid-lateral-flow-tests-negative-pcr-1236141

Is it option

1. faulty batch pcr tests only at South west drive through test centres? 2/ corruption or negligence at the local lab? Does the South west have 1 giant lab that processes bath/ Swindon and Bristol pcr tests
2. some new varient that evades pcr tests like the one in France.

Are we even doing much genome sequencing these days?

We did have surge testing in Bristol last winter with varient e48k similar South Africa but that was pre delta.

We had massive cases in locally June and July.
Local r rate seems low currently despite so many off school and 2 Universitys return.

3 kids my child's year have postive lft but negative pcr.
We don't have any set date for covid jabs.
The school is not declaring any cases at all publicly..

Weirdly people saying home tests giving postive results.

That lft more likely to bring us false negative than postive..

Just makes me worried so much covid all over the region undetected with postives not isolating.

So many if these postive lft negative pcr seem to be school children.
ONS forecast 1 in 14 teens had covid last week yet all teens at our school with covid symptoms have negative pcr?

@neveradullmoment99 what a disgusting comment and nothing to do with this thread

I agree: I am furious that this isn’t getting more press coverage. This is going to lead to needless deaths. This is corporate neglect / manslaughter. I am raging.

Child I was babysitting for three days ago has just had a positive LFT. It’s utterly rampant here.

@Mellowfruitfulnessy its was all on front pages yesterday and I know of no one who isn't aware of this and its still all online all over the place it is getting coverage
The comment below by pp was totally uncalled for and. Callous , of course the murder of an mp whilst working will be front page, at least have some respect

@neveradullmoment99 vile comment

FFS, I wasn’t commenting on that post.

Reported. Cruel and unnecessary.

[quote GoldChick]@neveradullmoment99 vile comment[/quote]
Why? Im not saying it isnt sad. Just saying that lots of people are stabbed daily and have to endure the pain of it. What makes him so special? So the Tories sit up and listen only when its their own?

@Mellowfruitfulnessy

I agree: I am furious that this isn’t getting more press coverage. This is going to lead to needless deaths. This is corporate neglect / manslaughter. I am raging.

Child I was babysitting for three days ago has just had a positive LFT. It’s utterly rampant here.

There was a bit on the news this morning but yes there needs to be a big push this weekend to let everyone in the areas affected know what's going on.

I suspect that the dates for the dodgy tests could be far wider than claimed.

The problem may be that whatever started to 'go wrong' may have started in June or July, but as the lab was probably still reporting some positive results, they're not looking as far back as that yet.

There will be an inquiry, they may get to the bottom of what happened.

It is stunning that there was little or no oversight and this lab was willing to pass and publish these results, even when the tests were proving negative so many times - there should be someone signing off these results, computing odds and testing tolerances.

Also, I saw no ads locally for workers for this laboratory - who did they hire and where do they come from?

@neveradullmoment99 your comment was uncalled for they don't write the papers and online top stores are those clicked on more, when the labour mp was murdered it was also all over the news as you would expect
But you know what you wrote and you know how you worded it and there was just no need , obviously MN agree as its been removed

@Mellowfruitfulnessy you said yes I agree so clearly was there was no other comment before

[quote worriedatthemoment]@neveradullmoment99 your comment was uncalled for they don't write the papers and online top stores are those clicked on more, when the labour mp was murdered it was also all over the news as you would expect
But you know what you wrote and you know how you worded it and there was just no need , obviously MN agree as its been removed[/quote]
Yip mumsnet censorship at its best :)

@Gingernaut yes it will take time to find out what went wrong , how , etc
They can't figure it all overnight , they will also be checking other labs etc
Millions of tests are done
Im in aouth west and only last couple weeks have I known of positive lvt then negative pcr , luckily they were people who had covid in the house or unwell so they isolated anyway
My own ds had a negative pcr yet was ill we never did a lvt though as he had symptoms , maybe his was wrong as he still has a cough now
Luckily as he was ill and even if was just a heavy cold/ flu he stayed home as we figured nobody wants a cough or cold at this time regardless of wether its covid
But it will take time and also look at the data to see how much it may of contributed to spread in certain areas

@neveradullmoment99 or maybe just people with morals

@Gingernaut

I suspect that the dates for the dodgy tests could be far wider than claimed.

The problem may be that whatever started to 'go wrong' may have started in June or July, but as the lab was probably still reporting some positive results, they're not looking as far back as that yet.

There will be an inquiry, they may get to the bottom of what happened.

It is stunning that there was little or no oversight and this lab was willing to pass and publish these results, even when the tests were proving negative so many times - there should be someone signing off these results, computing odds and testing tolerances.

Also, I saw no ads locally for workers for this laboratory - who did they hire and where do they come from?

I think its shocking that more isn't being said in the press about this. I really hope they do a full enquiry into this.

@neveradullmoment99 it was all over the press yesterday , there are numerous links on here
They can only report what is known so far which has been done

Of course the murder of an MP is headline news, especially for the way in which it threatens our democracy. And any individual death is sad especially for those nearest to the person.

However it is true that this lab issue will have led to tens of thousands, possibly more, avoidable infections, and probably many more than one extra death from Covid. (Have seen a scientist on Twitter suggesting at least tens of extra deaths) This should have greater publicity than it is getting.

Of course the timing is nobody’s fault.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@neveradullmoment99 it was all over the press yesterday , there are numerous links on here
They can only report what is known so far which has been done [/quote]
Was it? Well if it was then that's fine but not for me on my bbc app. Maybe regional then.

@neveradullmoment99 someone here linked the bbc yesterday further down

But they’re not reporting the implications of it, just BJ’s saying it won’t have an effect! Whereas lots of scientist and mathematicians on Twitter have a lot to say about it.

Am hoping investigative non-right wing journalists are digging to find out more about conditions at the lab, what QC there is or isn’t, whether anyone in Whitehall actually had a clue something was wrong and when, etc.

And whether other labs might have similar issues to whatever went wrong.

@neveradullmoment99 nothing much in bbc now though but it is in other papers , i think there it will feature more in the coming days as they learn what happened and confirm the number of mistakes as some go for repeat pcrs

@JanglyBeads they won't know that for sure yet , people can speculate on Twitter but investigations will be ongoing

@JanglyBeads I mean all the implications yet as how many were def wrong , anymore labs affected , how did that impact local numbers etc , a lot of data to be looked at
Im in the sw and in my area its the kids mostly getting it with not the main three symptoms really
My ds currently has tested positive and if he hadn't done a lft we would of just assumed his allergies

Yes it’s likely they won’t know the cause of the errors for sure yet (although they might).

However a separate question is how no one thought to investigate the huge drops in positives which people in some of the affected locations, and people on Twitter following the numbers, spotted in mid-September.

@JanglyBeads I suppose we have ups and downs all the time , like some areas in south west had high numbers in holiday season so maybe they thought drop was that ?
45000 is a lot but if spread over many areas maybe not so noticeable ?
I don't know and again a question that needs answering
Not sure if data of positive LFT links to your pcr result ?