Infections among fully vaccinated

[BoofTheFloof]

In the last 4 weeks I know of eleven fully vaccinated adults in my wider social circle who have caught covid. Transmission has been either via returning to work or catching it from school aged children (the case rate in our local schools is very high but no one is talking about it. 4 cases in my daughters class of 16)
None of the adults have needed hospital but a couple have been extremely sick for 2-3 weeks and one was triaged in an ambulance.
I know that the vaccine doesn't prevent all cases but is it preventing any? All of the adults infected have it to their whole family. Or is it just making the subsequent covid infection less virulent?

Have I just been unlucky with the people I know or is this about to be a thing? I'm resigned now to probably catching it which is really concerning as I was classified as CEV.

Well I think 9 out of 10 people are vaccinated now so most of the people getting it will most likely be fully vaccinated. The difference is fewer people are dying from it.
I do think that school children are a massive vector as they can’t be expected to be careful

The vaccine was for the most part meant to reduce hospitalisation or Death not to prevent the virus altogether so in your friends circumstances on the whole it's done the job

It is thought that the natural r value of the delta virus is between 5 and 9. And here we are, with more freedom that we have had in 18 months and we saw a 20% drop in cases last week. So, yes, I'd say the vaccine is doing some serious lifting in respect to cases.

The vaccines were far more effective against Alpha, and you were less likely to pass it on then if double vaccinated. Delta, however, is still being passed on- even when doubled vaccinated.

Most double vaccinated people with Delta have cold or hayfever like symptoms, and often don't immediately think its covid. Its often not the 3 tops signs which were alpha- fever, cough and loss of taste/smell. More often with delta is snotty/running nose, sneezing and sore throat or headache.

The fact that they all gave it to their whole families doesn't suggest much protection from transmission. I do wonder if the health authorities know this and the whole "get vaccinated to protect everyone else" message is more of a behavioural nudge to encourage people to get it so that as many people as possible have protection from hospitalisation (which it does seem to be doing well).

From another thread:

The vaccine does substantially reduce your risk of contracting covid- I.e. it does provide immunity and reduce risk of spread- but not in 100% of cases and immunity wanes over time. Data shows upwards of 75% reduction in risk of catching covid if double vaccinated (exact figures do vary between studies and with different vaccines, to some degree) at 3-4 months after your second vaccination. Data also shows that if you are vaccinated and do catch covid, being vaccinated greatly reduces your risk of becoming seriously unwell. Being vaccinated also appears to reduce, though not eliminate, your chances of passing it on.CDC is collecting data on vaccine breakthrough infections and closely monitors the safety and effectiveness of all Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-authorized COVID-19 vaccines. Because vaccines are not 100% effective, as the number of people who are fully vaccinated goes up, the number of vaccine breakthrough infections will also increase. However, the risk of infection remains much higher for unvaccinated than vaccinated people. Studies so far show that vaccinated people are 8 times less likely to be infected and 25 times less likely to experience hospitalization or death. Vaccines remain effective in protecting most people from COVID-19 infection and its effects

That's from a knowledgeable poster.

Here's a study with the same data

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

There should be a paragraph split just before "CDC" sorry, copying over from the other thread. From CDC onwards is a relevant paragraph of the linked study.

I am fully vaccinated and dp is not.

Both of us are very fit and healthy (both in our 30's, train 3 hours a day and lean physiques)

Both of us have Covid. I was ill for 4 days, he is bed ridden and has been like this for 7 days now and has been far worse than me.

I am able to walk around, clean and even workout. He is coughing a lot, I am not.

I have just lost weight (no real appetite)

At risk of derailing the thread but here are interesting factoids.
On More or Less R4 yesterday afternoon. A discussion about percentages.
We know accurately how many people vaccinated.
Ditto how many Registered with GPs.
We do not know total population accurately info is 10 years old. Nor how many on GP list are dead.
Therefore it is difficult to talk of percentage how vaccd people getting re-infected.

I started with covid this week and I am fully vaccinated. Although I have been unwell, I have had it extremely mild compared to some. My DH for example, unvaccinated (which he now deeply regrets) and currently in hospital with covid pneumonia. He assumed he would be fit and healthy enough to fight it. He's never been ill (aside from the odd cold) whereas I have a poor immune system due to an underlying health condition. I myself questioned the vaccine, how quick it was released etc. But I feared covid more. My DH is only 36.

I'm fully vaccinated and tested positive yesterday (results received this morning).
I caught it at work, in a secondary school.

In the 2 weeks we've been back at school I have shared a classroom with 11 pupils who have since gone on to test positive for covid. And several more who have been coughing and spluttering but haven't done PCR tests, just the LFTs which are far less accurate.

My children have it but DH and I are still hanging in there with negative results. Ds just out of self isolation and girls now got another week. Covid in the house now for 2 weeks🤒. We keep doing LFTs and DH had a temperature the other day but now feeling fitter. There are people we know double vaxxed who had it. Quite a few actually but it’s the unpredictable nature of the virus. DH boss had it twice and he was worse second time after vaccination. He does have underlying health conditions so maybe there will always be an susceptibility with certain individuals. The level of infections in the people we know have all been ranging from b mild to like flu. DH boss is the only one I know hospitalised with it after double vax.

I had close contact with someone, whole weekend spent with them at their house and they tested positive 2 days after this. I'm double jabbed with Pfizer and am now on day 12 since the contact and have been. They were double jabbed with AZ and are pretty much clear of symptoms now after a few bad days last week.

Unsure if the type of vaccine you had counts towards likelyhood of catching it?

We've known a number of people catch covid this summer.

One was double vax. She is very vulnerable and was shielding previously. Previously other types of viruses have effected her greatly. Whilst she was pretty poorly with covid she wasn't seriously ill and we can make an assumption that the vaccines benefitted her in this way.

Everyone else we know have not been fully vaccinated. They've mainly been 16 and under (all from local festival) or 18-20y (all single vax or no vax at time, almost all from nightclubs, late night bars with dance floors and festivals) Most have had some symptoms similar to a very nasty cold/flu bugs and a couple were pretty ill needing medical treatment. One we know of were symptom free.

Pretty much all of them did not pass covid to family members or friends, despite having been in close contact with them.

I watched a fantastic video explaining it a couple of hours back.

If you have antibodies (either from infection or vaccination) then when the virus enters your nose and attempts to attach to your cells the antibodies will jump in to action and kill them. But depending on viral load there may be more viruses than antibodies so you may still get infected. But then as your body is primed, within a couple of days the secondary defences (T cells) kick in. Meaning that you are less ill for less time.

If you haven't had a previous infection (or vacination) then near enough all of the viruses are going to be able to enter your cells and multiply and its going to take an extra few days to mount a defence, so you will be sicker for longer. Plus you will also be more infectious for longer.

People getting covid after being vaccinated doesn't mean the vaccine isn't working, it just means that they should (hopefully) being less sick, recovering quicker and as a bonus less infectious and for less time

I know of a few double vaxxed people (including myself) who have caught covid but none of us have been hospitalised so I guess it's doing its job?

Interesting whatever! My DH boss is a health care professional and does clinics at the hospital so guess you cannot avoid exposure to the virus so maybe he got another good viral load of it though would have thought he’s be wearing PPE? Anyway still trying to avoid it here with windows open and wearing masks in communal places. My dd 9 unfortunately had a coughing fit in the garden and it scared her and now she’s more anxious because of all she’s heard over the past 2 years! I hope it passes by her quickly as she’s more poorly than my other daughter who seems to have a mild sniffle and just gives a little shrug when you ask her how she is!!!! Needless to say none of them vaccinated and presumably delta variant! Hope we are back to semblance of order soon

@mumofdiamonds

I hope your DH recovers soon.

I was fully vaccinated by the end of June and tested positive on 24th August after my member of staff came back from Boardmasters. I wasn't that acutely ill, but the long term effects are just not going away. It's mainly utterly fatigue, so much so that I called the GP in tears yesterday because I couldn't get out of bed. That jelly legged and swimming head feeling just isn't going away, and now I have a UTI as well. It's shit. I'm really pissed off I even had the bloody vaccine, because people my age who had the virus before the vaccines just strolled through it and were back to normal in a fortnight or so. My mum has had to come to look after me.

On the flipside, it doesn't seem as though I passed it on to anyone, and I will never believe in lockdowns as a form of control.

Oh, and I am normally in robust good health.

I've been quite unlucky.

Thanks everyone. Some thought provoking responses. I take on board the fact that as most adults are vaccinated then every one I know who gets it is likely to be jabbed. It's just that there are so many of them and it's all happened so suddenly. I am CEV so struggle to be relaxed about it. Ds will be sitting in school next to a lad whose dad has covid and it's making me anxious.

Understandable boof. We don’t normally see people get ill with the things they’re vaccinated against so it’s kind of going against our usual expectations.

@HesterShaw1

I was fully vaccinated by the end of June and tested positive on 24th August after my member of staff came back from Boardmasters. I wasn't that acutely ill, but the long term effects are just not going away. It's mainly utterly fatigue, so much so that I called the GP in tears yesterday because I couldn't get out of bed. That jelly legged and swimming head feeling just isn't going away, and now I have a UTI as well. It's shit. I'm really pissed off I even had the bloody vaccine, because people my age who had the virus before the vaccines just strolled through it and were back to normal in a fortnight or so. My mum has had to come to look after me.

On the flipside, it doesn't seem as though I passed it on to anyone, and I will never believe in lockdowns as a form of control.

Why are you pissed off you had the vaccine? Don't you think it might have been even worse without it. Hope you feel better soon anyway.

"20:50bumbleymummy

Understandable boof. We don’t normally see people get ill with the things they’re vaccinated against so it’s kind of going against our usual expectations."

I agree. I'm surprised at how many vaccinated people have it at the moment.

Vaccine never meant to stop you getting Covid - just to stop you getting it really really badly!

DH and I both ill with it now - double vaxxed. We are so pleased we are - because these last 10 days have been grim and how much worse they might have been!