Infections among fully vaccinated

[BoofTheFloof]

In the last 4 weeks I know of eleven fully vaccinated adults in my wider social circle who have caught covid. Transmission has been either via returning to work or catching it from school aged children (the case rate in our local schools is very high but no one is talking about it. 4 cases in my daughters class of 16)
None of the adults have needed hospital but a couple have been extremely sick for 2-3 weeks and one was triaged in an ambulance.
I know that the vaccine doesn't prevent all cases but is it preventing any? All of the adults infected have it to their whole family. Or is it just making the subsequent covid infection less virulent?

Have I just been unlucky with the people I know or is this about to be a thing? I'm resigned now to probably catching it which is really concerning as I was classified as CEV.

I think its you who is conveniently rewriting history. There wasn't any criticism of people jogging or cycling 🙄. There was of course criticism of many thick people just carrying as normal because it was a 'dictatorship' 🥱

Fecking hell you must have lived on another planet the last 18months.
Runners and cyclists were absolutely vilified with breathing all our "germy" breath out extra hard.
There were countless threads about how a jogger had come to close (I don't jog I run), about how dare those runners actually want to use the pavement. About how we were killing people if we were out for 61minutes...etc etc etc

The only reason people don't want to admit that lockdowns didn't work is because they want it all to have meant something. It didn't. They were pointless.
I don’t understand this. Lockdowns did save lives. It’s, you know, a fact
Agree that people got over zealous, very low risk in being outside or passing someone briefly. But the effective part was reduction in being with others indoors - which is massively effective.

Of course lockdowns had an impact. The virus can’t crawl under peoples doors fgs 🙄

Does anyone think its crazy how symptoms don't keep up!

Dd had it and has finished isolation and we seem OK touch wood!

I did have sore runny eyes, weepy.. And a tummy issue.. Diorheha over maybe one night... All lateral flows negative and pcr.

@Itsnotover

Of course lockdowns had an impact. The virus can’t crawl under peoples doors fgs 🙄

It can actually

@BoofTheFloof

In the last 4 weeks I know of eleven fully vaccinated adults in my wider social circle who have caught covid. Transmission has been either via returning to work or catching it from school aged children (the case rate in our local schools is very high but no one is talking about it. 4 cases in my daughters class of 16) None of the adults have needed hospital but a couple have been extremely sick for 2-3 weeks and one was triaged in an ambulance. I know that the vaccine doesn't prevent all cases but is it preventing any? All of the adults infected have it to their whole family. Or is it just making the subsequent covid infection less virulent? Have I just been unlucky with the people I know or is this about to be a thing? I'm resigned now to probably catching it which is really concerning as I was classified as CEV.

Might be worth my input - I am massively in favour of vaccination in principle but I always research (exhaustively) each individual vaccine as, frankly, they're all different.

In this instance, I decided not to get any of the C19 vaccines, not simply due to their novel nature but because it isn't being responsibly reported. At all.

I haven't had any of the vaccines. Neither has my partner. I'm 41, she is 32. My parents haven't accepted the vaccine, nor have they contracted Covid. Her mother remains unvaccinated and Covid-free, but her father rushed to get the vaccine, and subsequently was ill.

It's not just that we haven't caught Covid in the last 24 months: I haven't even caught a cold. Am I so healthy? I take a few supplements but I'm no health freak.

I think it's worth keeping in mind that, despite the obvious and irrefutable benefits of the vaccination schedule, the current hysteria surrounding Covid-19 is likely obscuring the possibility that the vaccine itself may be causing many of the problems it is designed to protect against.

This vaccine needs more time. Not just for the full range of effects to become clear but for all those involved with it to have their interests properly declared. It is a deep, an abiding and a paradoxical fantasy that those in positions of power achieved their status through noble aspiration devoid of ambition.

My ex bil came out of hospital last week on oxygen & anti clot injections, he is 58, healthy & double jabbed. He is still very poorly now. Ds is double jabbed & waiting for pcr results now, he started coughing Thursday night, it cleared for a couple of days but came back last night & he can't stop coughing, has a fever, diarrhoea & stomach pains.

I’ve known several cases recently and all those vaccinated have had it mildly, and not transmitted that much, and all those unvaccinated have had it more severely, with one person I know in ICU.

We'd be up shit creek without vaccines that's for sure.

I’m double jabbed. Also just about to be discharged from hospital after a four day stint. I developed covid pneumonia. The nurses here said most patients who come in that are double jabbed like me are coming in to be given extra assistance - they’re poorly but they aren’t dying. I’ve been really unwell, but I’m improving. The vaccinations are stopping deaths it seems but they aren’t a magic shield of protection against catching it. Two people that came in whilst I’ve been here that were unvaccinated were pretty swiftly taken up to ICU. I think that’s the difference.

Oh. And I passed it onto two of my kids. It didn’t stop transmission in our case

@Itsnotover

Of course lockdowns had an impact. The virus can’t crawl under peoples doors fgs 🙄

Yes they had a massive impact.

But has the virus gone away? No. Has it even decreased? No. Have we had fewer deaths proportionally than say Sweden? Also no.

Have the lockdowns had a devastating impact on the economy, society, education, physical health other than covid, mental health? Yes to all those points.

Well it's not going to go away is it but it's about management. If the government had gone with its original (vile) plan to let it just burn through then there would be a lot more people dead.

Well I have a relative living in Sweden and they have a far lower population density with fewer families living together and more people living alone at a younger age. Also less nightlife. So it would always have been more of a slow burn there even with no restrictions. Look at India where social distancing was considered impossible.

Yes I agree to an extent, but there was no need for the hideous campaign of fear and paranoia we were subjected to, the deliberately changing messages, the deliberate turning of people on their neighbours, the heavy handed police tactics which saw officers wrestling women to the ground in the open air, who had gathered to pay their respects to Sarah Everard, for example. Mumsnet at times was a cesspit of paranoid hysteria and vileness. Thank god a core group of people remained sensible, and in doing so, helped a lot of posters with their mental health.

There is evidence to show that people were moderating their own behaviour. There was no need to treat us like naughty children for months, with the threat of ever more severe sanctions hanging over our heads if we didn't comply.

@Chowmeinhotdog

Well I have a relative living in Sweden and they have a far lower population density with fewer families living together and more people living alone at a younger age. Also less nightlife. So it would always have been more of a slow burn there even with no restrictions. Look at India where social distancing was considered impossible.

Yes I appreciate that. However there have been comparisons done with Scotland specifically, which is much more like Sweden than the UK as a whole.

@HesterShaw1

Yes I agree to an extent, but there was no need for the hideous campaign of fear and paranoia we were subjected to, the deliberately changing messages, the deliberate turning of people on their neighbours, the heavy handed police tactics which saw officers wrestling women to the ground in the open air, who had gathered to pay their respects to Sarah Everard, for example. Mumsnet at times was a cesspit of paranoid hysteria and vileness. Thank god a core group of people remained sensible, and in doing so, helped a lot of posters with their mental health.

There is evidence to show that people were moderating their own behaviour. There was no need to treat us like naughty children for months, with the threat of ever more severe sanctions hanging over our heads if we didn't comply.

As a former healthcare worker who has many friends in their 20s and 30s who nearly died during wave 1 of covid and who are still disabled, it's hard to say it was a deliberate paranoia campaign. It was a disorganised s*show with no clear message and with the public feeling like we were left to fend for ourselves. For me nothing was more scary than my close friends nearly dying, and watching our prime minister tell us "I'll level with you, some people are going to die". On what planet is that leadership? No wonder everyone went insane.

Yes it was a shitshow. Still is.

On that we are agreed. I'm sorry about your friends. It's a fucking nasty virus.

@Whatever9999

I think its you who is conveniently rewriting history. There wasn't any criticism of people jogging or cycling 🙄. There was of course criticism of many thick people just carrying as normal because it was a 'dictatorship' 🥱

Fecking hell you must have lived on another planet the last 18months.
Runners and cyclists were absolutely vilified with breathing all our "germy" breath out extra hard.
There were countless threads about how a jogger had come to close (I don't jog I run), about how dare those runners actually want to use the pavement. About how we were killing people if we were out for 61minutes...etc etc etc

Absolutely. I was abused once (woman screamed at me on pavement), maybe twice (I wasn't paying attention) simply for being out walking. I saw a man abuse a lone person playing basketball on an empty court, outside, in an empty park. Someone I know was abused when out running by someone telling her to wear a mask while running (!). A lot of very worried people going French bananas.

Honestly at one point I stayed in for 3 weeks, doing indoor exercise classes and just gardening in my own back garden. I had to deal with agoraphobia for the first time in my life after each lockdown - something I'd never been able to relate to before. Learning new ways to empathize with people I guess!
I largely avoided going out because I couldn't control the environment and I worried about people being confrontational (demanding I wear a mask/ demanding I take off my mask)...I guess I was right.

To go back to OPs original post about infections in fully vaccinated some of you may find this interesting. It's a news report quoting research done at Imperial College and others that found that virus levels in a fully vaccinated person who has contracted the Delta variant are similar to those of a person who has not had a vaccination.
www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-infection-unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-people-have-similar-levels-of-virus

I found it while trying to find out online why in our case, the Delta variant seems to take days after symptoms have started to give a positive test.

@ArnoldtheAngryTapir that is interesting. I had a violent headache on Friday and a runny nose but tested negative in the morning. Tested positive on Saturday night after feeling really rough all day.

DS has tested negative repeatedly at home despite headache, sore throat, tiredness. Only tested positive on a PCR accessed after my confirmation came through.

DH tested positive with no symptoms but is now developing a cough.

I think the public information needs to clarify the current symptoms and testing should not rely on the 3 symptoms of last March.

As a migraine sufferer, the term "violent headache" scares me because my normal headaches lead to vomiting and not being able to move. How the hell bad are these covid headaches?!

@Chowmeinhotdog

As a migraine sufferer, the term "violent headache" scares me because my normal headaches lead to vomiting and not being able to move. How the hell bad are these covid headaches?!

I’m a migraine sufferer. I had bad headaches with Covid but nothing like my migraines.

@HesterShaw1

I was fully vaccinated by the end of June and tested positive on 24th August after my member of staff came back from Boardmasters. I wasn't that acutely ill, but the long term effects are just not going away. It's mainly utterly fatigue, so much so that I called the GP in tears yesterday because I couldn't get out of bed. That jelly legged and swimming head feeling just isn't going away, and now I have a UTI as well. It's shit. I'm really pissed off I even had the bloody vaccine, because people my age who had the virus before the vaccines just strolled through it and were back to normal in a fortnight or so. My mum has had to come to look after me.

On the flipside, it doesn't seem as though I passed it on to anyone, and I will never believe in lockdowns as a form of control.

I could almost have written this post word for word (minus the UTI!). Boardmasters variant which swept through through the whole family.

Two unvaccinated DC (teens) both positive - 1 unwell, 1 no symptoms except lack of smell. Two fully vaccinated adults - both unwell (not desperately, but typical of covid - very high temp, lack of smell, cough).

DH bounced back after ten days - is now totally back to normal. Working, exercising, doing his hobby.

I, meanwhile, seem to have developed post-covid symptoms. Remains fatigued, sleeping every day, jelly legs, weepy, not at work. Also suffering the most awful phantom smells - lingering putrefaction.

"I, meanwhile, seem to have developed post-covid symptoms. Remains fatigued, sleeping every day, jelly legs, weepy, not at work. Also suffering the most awful phantom smells - lingering putrefaction."

My sympathies. It took me 6 months to get back to normal. Yet many people will dismiss it as post viral fatigue " like other viruses". Not a lot of consolation when it is unlike anything you may have experienced before.