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Shielding program stopped

240 replies

Egghead68 · 17/09/2021 08:56

For anyone this affects, the shielding program was stopped for good yesterday.

They snuck this news out under the cover of the cabinet reshuffle.

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NannyAndJohn · 18/09/2021 20:51

@TheKeatingFive

Have some fucking empathy.

I don’t know many people who expect to be facilitated to their job to a really limited degree on full pay for the foreseeable.

What you're suggesting is basically discrimination based upon illness or disability.

Being forced out of their careers for daring to be ill or disabled.

TheKeatingFive · 18/09/2021 20:53

Being forced out of their careers for daring to be ill or disabled.

Let me think back on the empathy you showed those people whose businesses were shut because of covid measures and couldn’t pay their mortgages.

Yeah … hmm … yeah.

Tealightsandd · 18/09/2021 21:07

those people whose businesses were shut because of covid measures and couldn’t pay their mortgages.

Their businesses were shut because of Covid. And the UK government's failure to deal with it in a proactive and preventative way, eg. pandemic border control, early adoption of mask mandates, etc.

Bizawit · 18/09/2021 21:10

Being forced out of their careers for daring to be ill or disabled

If people are ill or disabled and unable to work then of course they should be compensated/ entitled to benefits. Absolutely 100%. Sadly it happens all the time that people are unable to do their existing jobs because of such issues, and have to change jobs or leave work altogether. That’s how life works.

TheKeatingFive · 18/09/2021 21:10

Their businesses were shut because of Covid. And the UK government's failure to deal with it in a proactive and preventative way, eg. pandemic border control, early adoption of mask mandates, etc.

It’s all because of covid. That’s why the poster in question wants what she wants too.

DotBall · 18/09/2021 21:13

Please tell me what funds you would have been investing in

My additional private pension is managed by a fund manager on a platform that makes approx. 40% a year.

DH’s pension in the uni sector (he’s retired) is far more generous than my teacher’s pension will be, whether I retire early or not, despite 33 years contributions.

My only regret is that we didn’t know about our fund manager when we were much younger. My DS has a small occupational pension so he intends to max out his allowance on the same platform soon. With his current job prospects and saving power, with any luck he’ll be able to retire in his 40s.

TheKeatingFive · 18/09/2021 21:17

DH’s pension in the uni sector (he’s retired) is far more generous than my teacher’s pension will be, whether I retire early or not, despite 33 years contributions.

Unis aren’t on direct contribution pensions. They are direct benefit and have an excellent deal.

My additional private pension is managed by a fund manager on a platform that makes approx. 40% a year.

Pleeease tell me what it is because average managed pension fund growth is at 6% with minimum employee contribution set at 3%.

Overthebow · 18/09/2021 21:22

I think the point is that covid is never going to go away, there will always be the risk of catching it. So given that it will be around forever, but masks and restrictions won’t be around forever, how long is it reasonable for people to get their full wages to stay at home for? Surely there comes a time people need to start thinking about whether they can do their job or if they would prefer to find something else?

Tealightsandd · 18/09/2021 21:28

It’s all because of covid. That’s why the poster in question wants what she wants too.

What she wants. She doesn't want to be killed or further disabled by Covid. Who would, unless suicidal?

Why do we have drink drive or speeding laws? No smoking in public spaces?

The answer is because we mitigate against risks to life and health - particularly when it's other people's lives being put at risk.

Europe, America, Canada, East Asia, the Middle East. All have mitigation measures in place, eg. mask mandates. They can do it. So can we.

TheKeatingFive · 18/09/2021 21:30

Mask mandates are not some magical shield against covid spread. We’ve seen this confirmed in country after country.

Sweetbabyrays · 18/09/2021 21:39

I don’t see how being ECV and having to move jobs because of covid is different to any other illness. I had an illness years ago which meant I had to leave my job and change careers completely, it’s just one of those things that unfortunately happens in life. Horrible yes but just unlucky. Equally, when I was on a clinical trial and extremely vulnerable to dying if I caught so much as a cold, I then didn’t expect the world to change their behaviour because of my problems, same applies with COVID unfortunately. I feel sorry for people, but it has to end at some point.

Tealightsandd · 18/09/2021 21:42

Surely there comes a time people need to start thinking about whether they can do their job or if they would prefer to find something else?

As explained by the world's experts - doctors and scientists, that time isn't now. We're going into winter with a higher number of cases than last year - with increasing hospitalisations and deaths, most 12+ still unvaccinated, and booster vaccines only just starting. The NHS is struggling already. Non Covid care will be further impacted, because we can't magic up extra staff and capacity. And the risk of a vaccine resistant variant developing remains.

Once everybody particularly the vulnerable have had a mRNA booster, things should be looking more positive.

In the meantime it would be prudent to follow the science - as most of the rest of the world is doing - and implement simple and easy mitigation measures.

Peteycat · 18/09/2021 21:42

"21:30TheKeatingFive

Mask mandates are not some magical shield against covid spread. We’ve seen this confirmed in country after country."

Agreed.

NotMyCat · 18/09/2021 21:43

@Overthebow

I think the point is that covid is never going to go away, there will always be the risk of catching it. So given that it will be around forever, but masks and restrictions won’t be around forever, how long is it reasonable for people to get their full wages to stay at home for? Surely there comes a time people need to start thinking about whether they can do their job or if they would prefer to find something else?
I'm working FT, have done throughout from home

What jobs would people suggest all the CEV go and do that doesn't involve any human interaction?
Because the issue is some people are immunocompromised forever. There's no benefits or things I can claim, I've only just started getting free prescriptions because I now have hashimotos. One day I was "normal", the next I wasn't. And people are so "ohh they can change jobs" without thinking actually one day this could be me

Tealightsandd · 18/09/2021 21:45

@TheKeatingFive

Mask mandates are not some magical shield against covid spread. We’ve seen this confirmed in country after country.
Speed limits don't prevent all road accidents.

It's about sensible and easy mitigation measures.

TheKeatingFive · 18/09/2021 21:46

Speed limits don't prevent all road accidents.

There is clear and verified data they prevent some.

The same is not true for masks, particularly with Delta.

BlackberryMuncher · 18/09/2021 21:48

I am ECV.

I have my booking for my flu jab next Saturday, but haven't heard about Covid Booster. But I won't be at 6 months until the end of October as I was originally put in the wrong group, so I assumed that was why I hadn't heard. 💁🏻‍♀️

Peteycat · 18/09/2021 21:51

"21:45Tealightsandd

TheKeatingFive

Mask mandates are not some magical shield against covid spread. We’ve seen this confirmed in country after country.

Speed limits don't prevent all road accidents.

It's about sensible and easy mitigation measures."

Mitigations and measures come with consequences.

herecomesthsun · 18/09/2021 21:52

@TheKeatingFive

Speed limits don't prevent all road accidents.

There is clear and verified data they prevent some.

The same is not true for masks, particularly with Delta.

but quite a strong scientific consensus that masks help reduce spread, especially FFP2 or 3 etc

Chris Whitty seems in fa\vour of people using them indoors in crowded spaces etc, where they can

herecomesthsun · 18/09/2021 21:54

@Peteycat

"21:45Tealightsandd

TheKeatingFive

Mask mandates are not some magical shield against covid spread. We’ve seen this confirmed in country after country.

Speed limits don't prevent all road accidents.

It's about sensible and easy mitigation measures."

Mitigations and measures come with consequences.

and avoiding mitigations comes with consequences eg more deaths than otherwise, risk of lockdowns and so on
Peteycat · 18/09/2021 21:56

"and avoiding mitigations comes with consequences eg more deaths than otherwise, risk of lockdowns and so on"

The government have taken mitigations away, so why do you think you know better?

Tealightsandd · 18/09/2021 21:57

The same is not true for masks, particularly with Delta.

Rubbish. Plenty of studies have demonstrated their use. There's a reason why the WHO, the CDC, and doctors around the world recommend them.

Mitigations and measures come with consequences.

Yes they do. Boosting the economy of mask manufacturers. Fewer people killed. Taxpayer money saved because less cases of long Covid disability.

herecomesthsun · 18/09/2021 21:58

They have taken away mitigations by law but for example Sajid Javid this week suggested "wearing a face mask in crowded, enclosed spaces where you can come into contact with people that you don't normally meet".

What makes you think you know better?

herecomesthsun · 18/09/2021 21:59

that was @Peteycat

Tealightsandd · 18/09/2021 22:01

The government have taken mitigations away, so why do you think you know better?

I believe that the world's experts - leading doctors and scientists, including the WHO, the CDC, and our own BMA, know best. Most of the rest of the world's governments share my view. Hence the mitigation measures in Europe, America, Canada, East Asia, and the Middle East.

But then again it depends what you want. I don't think any other country wanted to let the bodies pile up.