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HitchhikersGuide · 14/09/2021 08:10

For those of us increasingly concerned by government policy and in particular the sidelining of science and the JCVI in relation to the mass vaccination of children, I thought I would put my head above the parapet to say that you are not as alone as the media makes you feel. There are many of us questioning and desperately worried about where this ends. So I thought I would list a few places where I found some solace and confirmation that DH and I were not the only ones feeling the way we did. For the left-leaning, a good, not too depressing place to start is Left Lockdown Sceptics. A totally different take on life outside the middle class bubble of neurosis that is fed to us daily. For the religious (or not) Irreverend is brilliant. Their podcasts are measured, and thoughtful. For the more right wing, The Daily Sceptic allows discussion of all coronavirus issues and has reports from a very measured and sensible doctor. On that note, for NHS - lovers, look up the Nurse who asks Questions, or Dr Sam White. For those interested in the law, Law or Fiction is a good place to start. To meet a vast array of very diverse people, try a Stand in the Park - people gathering on green spaces to support each other. Or if you're near a city, find out about protest marches. Media blackouts make them hard to find but hundreds of thousands have marched in London on the last Saturday of the month for ages now. Speaking of protests, the French have got it nailed as ever. From Paris, through Marseille, from Clermont Ferrand to tiny villages where people gather for protest picnics (of course!) These are horrible times and the feeling of isolation has made it very hard to bear, and I hope this helps others who feel alone.

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Anon778833 · 14/09/2021 15:43

Yes, people are conspiracy theorists when they reject peer reviewed papers and don't trust the World Health Organisation.

herecomesthsun · 14/09/2021 15:43

completely agree on all points (though I think they are libertarians somewhere in the mix still)

I note that according to the Telegraph "Javid sets out winter plan B of draconian measures" apparently this involved face masks and WFH.

If that's it (haven't read the full article) that doesn't sound too terrible.

fingers crossed re no lock down

herecomesthsun · 14/09/2021 15:44

@Itsnotover

Yes, people are conspiracy theorists when they reject peer reviewed papers and don't trust the World Health Organisation.
they are conspiracy theorists probably if they link into lots of stuff about conspiracies?
Anon778833 · 14/09/2021 15:52

Usually the reasoning behind mistrust of medical advice is the idea that public health decisions are not really for the benefit of the people that they are made for. That does amount to a conspiracy theory doesn't it?

Peteycat · 14/09/2021 19:58

No. People may trust the advice, but decide that they want to follow their own way. It's now just guidance. Optional if you like.

Anon778833 · 14/09/2021 20:27

'Follow their own way'. I wonder how this plays out in reality. My ex was downing too many vitamins a day and ended up with a severe case of gastritis as a result.

If you don't believe in science then there's no arguing with stupid.

TheGrumpyGoat · 14/09/2021 20:46

@Itsnotover

'Follow their own way'. I wonder how this plays out in reality. My ex was downing too many vitamins a day and ended up with a severe case of gastritis as a result.

If you don't believe in science then there's no arguing with stupid.

But that’s not your concern. If people choose not to be vaccinated and the decision causes them harm, then that’s their problem surely? They have the right to choose.
ollyollyoxenfree · 14/09/2021 20:51

If people choose not to be vaccinated and the decision causes them harm, then that’s their problem surely? They have the right to choose.

Haven't seen a single person disagree with this sentiment on the thread.

It's the rampant spreading of misinformation from anti-vax groups that's been the problem. This impacts of people trying to make an informed decision on whether to get vaccinated or not.

Anon778833 · 14/09/2021 20:53

Exactly right @ollyollyoxenfree

MrsFezziwig · 14/09/2021 21:17

For those of us increasingly concerned by government policy and in particular the sidelining of science and the JCVI in relation to the mass vaccination of children

I’m a bit confused. The JCVI did not recommend vaccination for 12-15 year olds due to the minimal health benefits, but the CMOs did in order to reduce the harmful effects due to educational disruption to the children themselves. They weren’t pretending it was purely a medical issue, and as parents are entirely free to decide whether their children are vaccinated or not, I’m really not understanding what the issue is here.

Peteycat · 14/09/2021 21:17

"20:27Itsnotover

'Follow their own way'. I wonder how this plays out in reality. My ex was downing too many vitamins a day and ended up with a severe case of gastritis as a result"

So one person makes a bit of a mistake, so what? That's not a good comparison to the vaccine choice.

Anon778833 · 14/09/2021 21:46

It's the kind of thing that happens when lay people decide that they know better than scientists. And that they will do things their way.

ollyollyoxenfree · 14/09/2021 21:52

@MrsFezziwig

For those of us increasingly concerned by government policy and in particular the sidelining of science and the JCVI in relation to the mass vaccination of children

I’m a bit confused. The JCVI did not recommend vaccination for 12-15 year olds due to the minimal health benefits, but the CMOs did in order to reduce the harmful effects due to educational disruption to the children themselves. They weren’t pretending it was purely a medical issue, and as parents are entirely free to decide whether their children are vaccinated or not, I’m really not understanding what the issue is here.

this

And it's not "mass vaccination of children", although that does make it sound nice and ominous.

It's offering the vaccines to teens. Who can turn it down if they don't want it

Tealightsandd · 14/09/2021 22:54

Talk about cognitive dissonance...

I'm exhausted with the neurosis and fear.

Followed straight away with...

I'm so worried about the vaccination for children...

Squleamish · 15/09/2021 15:03

@HitchhikersGuide, I just want to say thank you again for the post.

I do agree with those saying "but there should be a choice whether to get your child jabbed. Absolutely. And whilst the jabs stay entirely optional and uncoerced for children (although tbh this has already been breached by some of the misinformation out there, such as that they are "100% safe" - nice one, Newsround), no problem.

But anyone who thinks it's not a possibility that this will go further needs to look hard at what's happened over the last year which people consistently said wouldn't (while those crazy conspiracy theorists suggested otherwise). In France, from October, kids 12 and over will need to present a "health pass" with vaccine information, to do access normal everyday life. Just one example, from a near neighbour of ours. Think it would never happen here? They said that about lockdowns ("couldn't work outside of China"), the possibility of vaccine passports (that was just a conspiracy theory), repeated extension of the emergency laws... still, at least they were telling the truth about those 3 weeks to flatten the curve (hasn't it seemed a long 3 weeks, though?).

Peteycat · 15/09/2021 15:10

"22:54Tealightsandd

Talk about cognitive dissonance...

I'm exhausted with the neurosis and fear.

Followed straight away with...

I'm so worried about the vaccination for children..."

The neurosis about covid, even though apparently most are double jabbed is exhausting, and consequently contributes to people pushing the vaccines for children, which creates my worry for children. Does this explain things?

AreYouVeryAnti · 03/06/2023 22:36

As the covid chat seems to be largely wound down now, I just want to say a huge and very belated thank you for this thread which really helped me at such a difficult time. I was too emotional to post at the time, even reading the post made me cry, and watching everything spiral on down into madness from here until Feb 22 was so hard but made so much more bearable by all your sources. I'm so grateful to everyone who stuck their heads above the parapet (and that we dodged quite a bit of the crazy in comparison to eg Australia, USA, Canada, Europe etc). I think so many had influence beyond their expectation (eg Lord Frost being a fan of Irreverend) and it was probably thanks to so many speaking up, even quietly, that broadly common sense prevailed. Thank you again. Xx

AreYouVeryAnti · 03/06/2023 22:39

I say broadly commonsense... I'll never forget the sacked care workers and very nearly sacked NHS workers. Also wishing a speedy recovery, decent compensation and recognition to the vaccine injured and bereaved.

nojudgementhere · 04/06/2023 10:14

@AreYouVeryAnti I agree - the Covid threads kept me going through a really dark time. I'd also been feeling completely alone, scared and confused and it was a life saver to find other like-minded people who were as against vaccine mandates/lockdowns as I was. Just seen this link today Government ‘had secret unit to monitor online Covid lockdown critics’ (msn.com) and reading through this thread it's not hard to imagine that some of the more vociferous pro-vaccine/government posters could have been part of something like this!

I wish I could believe it's all 100% over but with the WHO pandemic preparedness treaty we could end up in a future situation where we as individuals have even less of a voice and bodily autonomy is completely overidden for the 'greater good'. Scary times.

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/government-had-secret-unit-to-monitor-online-covid-lockdown-critics/ar-AA1c3w5Q?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4de918b64a704e5db2f9391efc1c9e9f&ei=8

AreYouVeryAnti · 04/06/2023 10:54

Agreed, it's definitely not over, and I don't think Covid was the beginning either. I believe the good guys win in the end though! (Luckily, because as you say, scary times).

lieselotte · 04/06/2023 18:38

Ibruprofenismydrugofchoice · 14/09/2021 08:59

Thank you for this OP.
Sadly MN have made it perfectly clear that they only accept the official narrative, and anyone questioning it is accused of ‘misinformation’ so I suspect this we’ll be deleted.

If MN thinks that adverse reactions is misinformation, then they didn't see the news! There was an article quite recently about a doctor in his 30s who died of an adverse reaction.

I don't know why people aren't allowed to state facts. And I happily took the vaccinations, but was always in favour of people being allowed to make up their own minds. As for the covid pass nonsense...

lieselotte · 04/06/2023 18:40

What makes me really angry (and it's still going on!) is the fact that people are prevented from seeing their loved ones in hospital and care homes.

I read about teenagers who died of cancer in 2020. They were terminally ill, why on earth would it have mattered if they had caught covid and died a few days earlier? I am sure they would have been happier being able to see their loved ones and friends in their final days and weeks. It didn't make sense at the time and it doesn't make sense now, even with the benefit of hindsight.

MinkyGreen · 05/06/2023 17:59

@lieselotte

Adverse events are not misinformation, I can’t recall Mumsnet deleting balanced discussions about adverse events.

As far as I remember, the posts getting deleted were by some pretty vociferous anti science posters linking to biased and unverified - often extremely political - sources.

Teateaandmoretea · 18/06/2023 12:02

@MinkyGreen the whole thing was about politics not science. Science by definition is evidence-based and there wasn’t any. Lockdown policies were at best based on hypothesis.

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