No vaccines for healthy 12-15 Yr olds

[Wellbythebloodyhell]

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-will-not-be-recommended-for-healthy-children-aged-12-to-15-government-advisers-say-12398444

Is anyone else glad this potential decision has been taken away? I was very much undecided about vaccinating my older dc and now feel a bit of a weight has been lifted now its not something I need to consider.

I don't see any benefit to children, themselves, whatsoever. We ARE discussing the vaccine so I imagine benefit v risk is a line of thought that most parents will be considering.

I was thinking this through and simply do not see any real benefit to anyone, so I agree with JCVI entirely on their final conclusion.

Anyone wishing to dismiss 'the science' now it doesn't suit them, could be accused of cherry picking the facts noble

The injection DOES hurt, and on small thin arms especially. I don't know how chunky your arms are or how many times you have given birth. But I am pretty sure most kids will find it painful and sore. I am expecting my dc to really hate it (not that they are having it currently)

-Risk of developing serious heart condition or death potentially
- Days off school feeling ill from the vaccine
- The long term worry of unknown harms to our children's health from the mRNA vaccine that are currently undisclosed due to a lack of data.
- Pain with injection - not pleasant experience for any child
- Boosters needed every year, as the efficacy wanes after six months
- You can go through all of this and still catch and be ill from bloody coivd!!

• The risk of myocarditis is higher from covid than it is from the vaccine.

-Days off school feeling ill from Covid(get vaccinated on a Friday or Saturday and chances are you will be fine for school) -Long term worry of unknown harms from a novel virus. -Pain from injection? Really? It's a quick stick of a needle. -Can catch covid repeatedly as natural immunity wanes and have a risk of long covid and complications every time. -You can still catch covid but the point of the vaccine is that it lessens symptoms.

Just asked DC, who's at primary school & was in a vaccine trial if she found it painful = they said "not that much". The nurse used a cold spray first so it wasn't felt very much. (though there's a small chance it was placebo)

DC coming into Y9 was also fine with his.

so I imagine benefit v risk is a line of thought that most parents will be considering

Yes and it is interesting that you are listing all the risks of the vaccine that you can think of (have there been any child deaths from the vaccine btw? There have been child deaths from covid but you seem to have skipped those) in the worst possible way (the PAIN of the vaccination!) while listing the risks of covid in the most dismissive way you can possible (merely 3-6 months of long covid then a full recovery).

If you think that you are coming across as someone making a dispassionate assessment of the science, then you're very much mistaken.

My very scrawny teenagers have recently had it done and said it didn’t hurt at all!

I think you’re scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to give that as a convincing argument to not get it done!

@stepupandbecounted

The injection DOES hurt, and on small thin arms especially. I don't know how chunky your arms are or how many times you have given birth. But I am pretty sure most kids will find it painful and sore. I am expecting my dc to really hate it (not that they are having it currently)

If you kids are teens have they not had the hpv vaccine in recent years? Did you fret so much about a needle stick hurting then? I've never heard anyone say that a needle stick is a good reason not to get the hpv vaccine or any vaccine for that matter.

"There will be pressure from GPs for teens to get jabbed. On top of the usual jab payment there is an additional £10 bonus for getting teens done."

I don't think you have any idea how much extra work it will take to get that cohort of teens vaccinated. Lots of them will require specific individual arrangements. I have already had 2 conversations with GP staff about what ds will need and they are having at least one more meeting to try and sort out the reasonable adjustments. This group cannot just queue up at a vaccination centre.

I don’t think ‘injections hurt’ is a good enough reason to not have it. We all have to do things we find painful to protect our health eg smears, annual MRIs (my case). 4 years ago I had my DCs vaccinated against Meningitis B. DD was 6 and DS 3. I just said it would hurt but it would be over in a moment. There are way more painful things DCs will experience in life than a vaccination.

Oh and before anyone says a MRI doesn’t hurt, that’s true but I’m claustrophobic and the panic being in the machine is horrendous.

The risk of myocarditis is higher from covid than it is from the vaccine.
The vaccine doesn't mean you won't get covid, so is it actually risks from the vaccine versus risks from covid? It's risks from the vaccine plus (lower) risks from covid versus risks from covid isn't it? Then many children have already had covid.

The vaccine doesn't mean you won't get covid, so is it actually risks from the vaccine versus risks from covid?

But we know that while you can still catch covid while vaccinated (though there is some protection against this so spread is lessened whatever step claims), we know that the vaccine is very good at protecting against serious illness and hospitalisation.

@noblegiraffe

The vaccine doesn't mean you won't get covid, so is it actually risks from the vaccine versus risks from covid?

But we know that while you can still catch covid while vaccinated (though there is some protection against this so spread is lessened whatever step claims), we know that the vaccine is very good at protecting against serious illness and hospitalisation.

How much does it reduce the myocarditis risk?

And yet the JCVI have refused to back it.........So if the benefits are as you say, then why on earth would the JCVI say no to vaccinating children.

I will always follow the recommendations for my children, from those qualified to make that decision (and not bloody boris and Sajid, who most definitely are NOT qualified to make such an important medical decision)

Go ahead if you want with your dc but my children will not be a guinea pigs in this mRNA experiment.

Go ahead if you want with your dc but my children will not be a guinea pigs in this mRNA experiment.

And with this, it's easy to see where you're getting your concerns from and it isn't the JCVI.

@stepupandbecounted

And yet the JCVI have refused to back it.........So if the benefits are as you say, then why on earth would the JCVI say no to vaccinating children.

I will always follow the recommendations for my children, from those qualified to make that decision (and not bloody boris and Sajid, who most definitely are NOT qualified to make such an important medical decision)

Go ahead if you want with your dc but my children will not be a guinea pigs in this mRNA experiment.

That’s highly emotive language.

Tbh, I don’t understand why people become so incensed over this issue. Want your DCs vaccinated? Consent. Don’t want them vaccinated? Then don’t. I paid for my DCs to be vaccinated against Meningitis B. I’d didn’t broadcast it. Just thought it was the right decision for my children.

@stepupandbecounted

And yet the JCVI have refused to back it.........So if the benefits are as you say, then why on earth would the JCVI say no to vaccinating children.

I will always follow the recommendations for my children, from those qualified to make that decision (and not bloody boris and Sajid, who most definitely are NOT qualified to make such an important medical decision)

Go ahead if you want with your dc but my children will not be a guinea pigs in this mRNA experiment.

Why not just say that then instead of listing a bunch of nonsense. You think the vaccine is an experiment, cool you are entitled to that opinion.

It sounds like Us4Them would rather keep their children off school than have the jab.

@stepupandbecounted

And yet the JCVI have refused to back it.........So if the benefits are as you say, then why on earth would the JCVI say no to vaccinating children.

I will always follow the recommendations for my children, from those qualified to make that decision (and not bloody boris and Sajid, who most definitely are NOT qualified to make such an important medical decision)

Go ahead if you want with your dc but my children will not be a guinea pigs in this mRNA experiment.

Couldn’t agree more

And if in 5-10 years time your children haven't developed any health problems serious or otherwise from the vaccine (and by the way don't expect more than a collective shrug from the government if they do) all of the vaccinated children will make up the future data, and perhaps then we will consider vaccines for our own children once there is an established safety record.

So I suppose I should be thanking you noble for providing the opportunity by vaccinating your own children, to the rest of the world that we can use the data in the future to know if the vaccines are safe for children or not.

A courageous move as a parent, and for sure of great interest to families all over the world, that will wait and see what happens in the west first before committing their own families and children to something unknown.

@Howshouldibehave

It sounds like Us4Them would rather keep their children off school than have the jab.

That is just desperate media attention.

Who is going to be forcing children to have the vaccine? I have to consent to the flu vaccine for my children. It’s a case of ticking the ‘yes’ or ‘no’ box on the letter. I won’t know who in my class is vaccinated. I don’t care.

Well, if U4T want to keep their kids at home, I guess that's their choice.

No one will force their kids to have their vaccine.

Are they scared that their children might be Gillick competent and, you know, make a positive decision themselves about their health?

@stepupandbecounted

And if in 5-10 years time your children haven't developed any health problems serious or otherwise from the vaccine (and by the way don't expect more than a collective shrug from the government if they do) all of the vaccinated children will make up the future data, and perhaps then we will consider vaccines for our own children once there is an established safety record.

So I suppose I should be thanking you noble for providing the opportunity by vaccinating your own children, to the rest of the world that we can use the data in the future to know if the vaccines are safe for children or not.

A courageous move as a parent, and for sure of great interest to families all over the world, that will wait and see what happens in the west first before committing their own families and children to something unknown.

Well millions of kids across US, Israel and Europe have already been vaccinated you know, it's hardly the first leap into a big unknown. Even Australia is making a start on this before us.

*decision.