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No vaccines for healthy 12-15 Yr olds

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Wellbythebloodyhell · 03/09/2021 16:06

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-will-not-be-recommended-for-healthy-children-aged-12-to-15-government-advisers-say-12398444

Is anyone else glad this potential decision has been taken away? I was very much undecided about vaccinating my older dc and now feel a bit of a weight has been lifted now its not something I need to consider.

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Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 18:55

Difference of what between the sexes?

kowari · 04/09/2021 18:57

@Piggywaspushed

Difference of what between the sexes?
In the risk vs benefit balance.
MrsSkylerWhite · 04/09/2021 18:59

noblegiraffe

The JCVI report specifically gives them the route by which to do this. It says that they can’t comment on other benefits such as less disruption to education and that the govt should meet with the CMOs to discuss this further.

This. The JCVI’s remit is narrow, focussing purely on medical outcomes. Of course there are other aspects to consider, the disruption to education being the most important by far
(and the report does say there are benefits, be they marginal: still benefits).

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 19:00

The figures are reported for the risks of myocarditis, which are higher in boys. But I don't think we can necessarily say that means the overall risk is greater or lesser for boys because the risks of covid/long covid and so on also differ slightly. And the risk of myocarditis (outside of covid/ covid vaccine) for boys is higher anyway.

bumbleymummy · 04/09/2021 19:03

@Plumbear2 that’s fine. Are you ok with other adults ‘doing their own research’ (without YouTube) and deciding not to be vaccinated?

@Piggywaspushed in response to the pp asking for advice relating to children having the vaccine after infection, you said that the current advice was to have it. I literally quoted your posts up there.^

I’m the one who questioned that and said that there is not currently any advice for children so you really shouldn’t have given that reply to the pp. yes, happy to move on now, thanks.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 19:05

Yes, because that's the advice I was given bumbley.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 19:06

I also , I believe , said (or meant to say) that that is the advice for adults (and older teens)and there wasn't currently anything other than hypothetical advice for most1 12- 16 yos since vaccination isn't a thing for them yet...

kowari · 04/09/2021 19:07

@Piggywaspushed

The figures are reported for the risks of myocarditis, which are higher in boys. But I don't think we can necessarily say that means the overall risk is greater or lesser for boys because the risks of covid/long covid and so on also differ slightly. And the risk of myocarditis (outside of covid/ covid vaccine) for boys is higher anyway.
Yes, this is what I was thinking about. I was wondering, since it's a narrow margin of benefit for this age group, if it had been broken down further anywhere. It could help children to see more easily the risk vs benefit for them personally if they had that information. If there was a difference in risk vs benefit between the sexes or between children who had had covid and those who hadn't then that may influence the the child's decision.
Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 19:08

I actually doubt most of them will think it through that much kowari but, in short, no I don't think that fine level of data exists.

kowari · 04/09/2021 19:08

If/when vaccination becomes a thing for this age group I mean.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 19:09

Although I would say, if I was a teenage girl I might think it was a no brainer.

kowari · 04/09/2021 19:20

@Piggywaspushed

Although I would say, if I was a teenage girl I might think it was a no brainer.
Why?
bumbleymummy · 04/09/2021 19:25

@Piggywaspushed

Yes, because that's the advice I was given bumbley.
For your 17 yo, not the 12-15 group that kowari had asked about.
Namenic · 04/09/2021 19:28

Jcvi can’t comment on every individual case; only in general. Each child will have a unique situation and so if the risk/benefit is marginal, why not let people decide?

Child A has no previous medical problems, walks to school, has no close contact with Vulnerable people. Had covid before summer and no significant effects. School has great home learning program for those isolating and child has good internet access.

Child B has mild asthma, sibling had glandular fever 3 years ago - which took them a long time to recover from. Parents have some medical problems but not classed as CEV (though vaccinated). Commutes via public transport. Poor internet access. Lost lots of school time during previous lockdowns due to bubbles sent home but never tested positive. school did not have good home learning program.

Just examples of why people in different situations may want different things. I hope people can be supported to talk to medical professionals if they are worried - like pregnant women are.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 19:36

Because the risk of myocarditis from vaccine is tiny. The risk of long covid is higher kowari.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 19:38

Can't see what makes my 17 yo massively different from a 15 yo. The advice for those who do get vaccines tends always to be blanket advice to get vaccinated, unless there are specific contexts.

Hadenoughcrap2 · 04/09/2021 19:39

My 16 yo has just had covid and I'm now getting texts asking her to go for her vaccine. As far as I was aware she shouldn't have the vaccine so close to having had covid, but I'm not sure what the advice is, tbh.

Does anyone here know?

Namenic · 04/09/2021 19:39

Ps - not saying that the benefit to pregnant women is marginal (advice has shifted in favour of vaccine). But a few months ago there wasn’t a huge amount of data - so had to weigh risk-benefits too.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 19:39

30 days gap between test and vaccine ,hadenough.

kowari · 04/09/2021 19:42

Jcvi can’t comment on every individual case; only in general. Each child will have a unique situation and so if the risk/benefit is marginal, why not let people decide?
Yes it will have to be a personal decision if it does become available for this age group. I understand they can't comment on every individual situation. Though, if it is a narrow margin of benefit overall then I do think it would be an important thing to know if this differs between those who have had covid and those who haven't. If there was, instead, a narrow margin of risk over benefit for a child who had had covid to be vaccinated then I'm sure parents (if the children are not giving it much thought) would want to know.

CoopsMalloops · 04/09/2021 19:49

Well tested where?

Where is the long term safety data for children of this age?

Few months isn’t good enough for my child.

mrshoho · 04/09/2021 19:56

In France is it a case that having had a covid infection within the last 6 months is satisfactory as a covid pass? I may have read this wrong though.

bumbleymummy · 04/09/2021 20:01

@Piggywaspushed

Can't see what makes my 17 yo massively different from a 15 yo. The advice for those who do get vaccines tends always to be blanket advice to get vaccinated, unless there are specific contexts.
Well atm they already are being treated differently in that 17 yos are being offered the vaccines and 15yos aren’t.

Exactly kowari.

Yes, that is the case for the green pass being used in most of Europe @mrshoho.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 20:07

But we aren't in France?

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 20:07

You really are being deliberately obtuse bumbley.

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