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No vaccines for healthy 12-15 Yr olds

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Wellbythebloodyhell · 03/09/2021 16:06

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-will-not-be-recommended-for-healthy-children-aged-12-to-15-government-advisers-say-12398444

Is anyone else glad this potential decision has been taken away? I was very much undecided about vaccinating my older dc and now feel a bit of a weight has been lifted now its not something I need to consider.

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stepupandbecounted · 04/09/2021 15:28

We can ALL pick out situations that are difficult and sad and it is horrible for any family suffering because of covid, and they have my sympathy of course, however the vast majority of children especially and people under the age of 80 will be fine if they catch covid, that is undeniable when we look at the statistics.

Blanket vaccines for children are largely pointless and could be (very) damaging if your child is one of the unlucky ones.
It is pointless because so many children have already had covid. As a minimum an antibody test should be offered to discover whether the vaccine is even necessary. Targeted vaccines for CEV are much better for children, until the data is published and there is more confidence in the benefits for this age group.

And when I think of much of the world that are still suffering and will suffer this winter, because they don't have access to any/many vaccines and when we consider the number sloshing around here, and vaccinating age groups that don't even need it, it feels extremely unfair, uncharitable and downright wrong.
My child's vaccine could be saving an actual life somewhere in the world, it could be easing the agony for them, but no here we are arguing about it on here again, with all the privileges of a wealthy nation that have truly lost sight of the suffering elsewhere.

Ellewoods20 · 04/09/2021 15:31

The times are saying children over 12 will be vaccinated from next week www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jcvi-refuse-to-back-covid-vaccine-for-children-m993bgt09

Staffy1 · 04/09/2021 15:40

@Piggywaspushed

I posted it twice upthread, bumbley. For 12-17 year old boys, myocarditis is seen as a complication of covid for 450 in 1 million cases. For the vaccine , 60.
Thanks for this, been trying to find out about this for some time.
BewareTheLibrarians · 04/09/2021 15:41

We can ALL pick out situations that are difficult and sad and it is horrible for any family suffering because of covid, and they have my sympathy

Replace “pick out” with “live through” and “they” with “you” and you almost achieved a human response. Well done.

But you reading how covid has affected my son and calling that “picking out” a situation is pretty disgusting. You can see that, right?

It’s fine for you to not agree with the vaccine for your own reasons. But downplaying covid/long covid when the effects are known, and to someone who’s going through it is starting to get a bit annoying.

Mynameismargot · 04/09/2021 15:47

We can ALL pick out situations that are difficult and sad and it is horrible for any family suffering because of covid, and they have my sympathy of course, however the vast majority of children especially and people under the age of 80 will be fine if they catch covid, that is undeniable when we look at the statistics.

But this is true for vaccines, more so for vaccines than covid. Just look at the statistics.

If you don't want to get your children vaccinated that's grand but I don't see why you are peddling shit like this Blanket vaccines for children are largely pointless and could be (very) damaging if your child is one of the unlucky ones. when covid is on the whole more likely to be damaging.

Howshouldibehave · 04/09/2021 16:19

[quote Ellewoods20]The times are saying children over 12 will be vaccinated from next week www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jcvi-refuse-to-back-covid-vaccine-for-children-m993bgt09[/quote]
Fantastic news.

kowari · 04/09/2021 17:39

Is there more information on risk vs benefit for boys aged 12 to 15 specifically? Also, for children in this age group who have already had covid?

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 17:52

The available data is for 12-17. they already decided 16 and 17 year olds should have one dose. Different decision for 12 - 15 year olds, but based on the same data.

If they have already had data, the official advice is that covid + vaccine = even better antibodies .

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 17:52

Whoops if they already had covid !

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 17:56

In fact, just digging a bit more, most of those cases were in the 16+ bracket.

bumbleymummy · 04/09/2021 18:00

@Piggywaspushed

The available data is for 12-17. they already decided 16 and 17 year olds should have one dose. Different decision for 12 - 15 year olds, but based on the same data.

If they have already had data, the official advice is that covid + vaccine = even better antibodies .

Isn’t that the recommendation for adults? If the risk/benefit is already very close for children surely already being immune after infection is going to tip the balance further away from benefit?
Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 18:06

There isn't a different recommendation for children, given they haven't agreed to vaccinate them yet...

Obviously.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 18:09

Besides which recommendation is entirely the wrong word. No one recommends someone to get Covid.

bumbleymummy · 04/09/2021 18:14

Kawari : Is there more information on risk vs benefit for boys aged 12 to 15 specifically? Also, for children in this age group who have already had covid?

You: If they have already had covid, the official advice is that covid + vaccine = even better antibodies

Why did you give that reply if your latest post is that ‘there isn’t a different recommendation for children given that they haven’t agreed to vaccinate them yet.’?

The truth is that we don’t know what the recommendation for previously infected children is yet. Given the slim margin between benefit and risk, it may not be recommended to vaccinate a previously infected child.

Yummypancake · 04/09/2021 18:14

My kids currently have Covid. So this now changes my view on vaccine. Before I would have been tempted to have them vaccinated but now they have had it, I am less inclined to think it necessary. Surely a lot of parents will be in this position.

Nappyvalley15 · 04/09/2021 18:17

Yep.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 18:17

Ermmm. I used you word, bumbley and then thought 'wait, that's not the right word' and so corrected myself...

My child is expected to have vaccine as normal (just turned 17) having just had covid. As yet, there is no mechanism in this country which suggest people , of any age, who have had Covid should not be vaccinated. I do know natural immunity is your thing.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 18:18

I think that depends on their age yummy. As they get closer to 18, their status as vaccinated has other implications.

bumbleymummy · 04/09/2021 18:21

@Piggywaspushed

Besides which recommendation is entirely the wrong word. No one recommends someone to get Covid.
Sigh… the recommendation being that an adult still gets vaccinated after being infected. Some countries only recommend a single dose rather than two though.
Marguerite2000 · 04/09/2021 18:22

@maddy68

Realistically it's because the UK don't have enough vaccines. They have supply issues they can't give AZ to you get people because it's proven to be more unsafe. They can't get other vaccines because of supply issues brexit. So unlike the other EU countries that are vaccinating kids before they go back to school the UK isn't can't
This isn't true. We currently have around 22m vaccines in the UK, and in fact are exporting 4m to Australia as part of a swap deal.
Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 18:29

Well, that's different bumbley and as Is aid can't yet be applied to anyone under 17 anyway. But my DS was recommended to get the vaccine, largely because of immunity boost but also for pragmatic reasons.

Plumbear2 · 04/09/2021 18:32

[quote bumbleymummy]@Plumbear2
Your 12 year old “has done his research and knows his own mind”? So you think your 12 year old knows better than the JCVI?

You realise that most adults on here that claim to have ‘done their own research’ and come to a different decision re the COVID vaccine are jumped on and told they could not possibly be qualified enough to do that, right?[/quote]
Actually he's 13. And yes he has done his own research, thank thankfully it didn't include youtube. We all have a right to decide for ourselves, that incudes 13 year olds who have seem people they know die and suffer long covid. You or you to tell him the carnt make his own decision? Honestly the teens I know are perfectly capable of research .

bumbleymummy · 04/09/2021 18:34

You seem to be getting unnecessarily hung up on the word ‘recommendation’.

You said “ If they have already had data, the official advice is that covid + vaccine = even better antibodies”

There is no ‘official advice’ for whether or not children should be vaccinated if they’ve already been infected.

Piggywaspushed · 04/09/2021 18:40

Which is what I said! I think you are getting hung up on it, not me. Shall we move on?

kowari · 04/09/2021 18:54

@Piggywaspushed

The available data is for 12-17. they already decided 16 and 17 year olds should have one dose. Different decision for 12 - 15 year olds, but based on the same data.

If they have already had data, the official advice is that covid + vaccine = even better antibodies .

I'm wondering if it tips the risk vs benefit balance. Are the better antibodies (rather than any at all in a child who previously had none) worth the risk? Also if there is any difference between the sexes.