No vaccines for healthy 12-15 Yr olds

[Wellbythebloodyhell]

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-will-not-be-recommended-for-healthy-children-aged-12-to-15-government-advisers-say-12398444

Is anyone else glad this potential decision has been taken away? I was very much undecided about vaccinating my older dc and now feel a bit of a weight has been lifted now its not something I need to consider.

Realistically it's because the UK don't have enough vaccines. They have supply issues they can't give AZ to you get people because it's proven to be more unsafe. They can't get other vaccines because of supply issues brexit. So unlike the other EU countries that are vaccinating kids before they go back to school the UK isn't can't

But if you live in the UK you aren't making vital vaccine decisions for your 12-15 year olds are you because your government isn't giving you a choice to make those decisions

In 24 hours I am expecting that to change.
I also have a 16 year old that has been invited to have a vaccine (last week) The decision is pressing with a return to school next week, as the vaccine will have to wait until half term otherwise as they finish school so late. I have now decided we will wait.

@bumbleymummy I’m not piggy but I also posted a link. This one:
www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/

Thanks Beware.

But my point was the much vaunted 1 in 7 study looked at post 15 weeks...

@Mynameismargot have you not seen the news? Government is pressing ahead anyway and rolling vaxx out to kids 12-15 very soon so yes, we will have to make this decision. Awful pressure. This to me with a 12 year old is far worse than all of the last 18 months put together

stepupandbecounted are you really saying your dc couldn't get out of school to get a vaccine? Apologies if I am reading this wrongly. Because that sounds crazy!
I also think by 16 it isn't really up to mum to decide (however much I'd like to be deciding for my own ds when he turns 16 in a couple of years)

I have been waiting for them to get around to this age group for ages, but with articles about myocarditis I’ve become undecided. I now have this horrible choice to make by Monday (only told on Friday) as DS special needs school will be doing them next week. This is such a difficult decision, if only I had a crystal ball.

pop I have decided there is not enough data yet on mRNA vaccines to feel confident enough to press ahead now anyway.

I wouldn't vaccinate either child during term time even if I did feel it was right for them, as I wouldn't want them to miss even more school due to side effects of the vaccine!
Many children have been very poorly from the vaccine and for weeks one end with god awful headaches etc, not just a few days. I felt horrendous after my first dose, so that is definitely a factor.

Secondly we live rurally and they take the school bus. It arrives back very late, and we wouldn't be able to fit in anything either side of that, and have match and sport commitments at the weekend.

As I say. It is not an issue, as my dd 16 has decided to wait for more data. We discussed as a family the pros and cons, as I am sure all parents are, and she made the decision herself. My younger dc is too young in my view at 12 and we will make the decision. I am expecting the gov to press ahead with vax regardless of JCVI advising children not to be vaccinated in the coming days. I find that in itself deeply troubling.
The government should NOT be overriding the JCVI in my view.
I agree with pp this is far bigger problem than all 18mths put together, as this could have a very long term, permanent impact on my dc in a way that covid never could.

We do not know if the vaccine will cause future harm to children, that is the issue, there is no way to know what the long term implications will be.

So it is a no from us.

In 24 hours I am expecting that to change

It is certainly looking likely.

@bumbleymummy, it's terrifying because pediatric ICU beds are full or over capacity in at least four states. Because children's hospitals are under so much strain they're calling in the federal government. Because Florida saw a tenfold increase in pediatric hospitalizations since school began. Because in places like Texas, more babies and children are going into hospital than ever before.* I'm attaching a graph, because visuals clarify.

And it's terrifying because while there are mitigation efforts that we know will work, they're being stymied by people to score political points.

I'm not an hysteric. I know that most kids who get covid will be fine. I also know that the past few weeks, since school has started with delta, have been really rough. I hope it's not a Cassandraic prediction for the UK, I really do. But speaking with my friends here who work in hospitals, it's terrifying.

*(The national numbers released by the CDC aren't really useful right now, as there's so much variation state by state - not just in terms of covid policies, but also in terms of school start dates. So you have to adjust and guess for the UK. For instance, British adult vaccinations are far higher than the south; however, many schools in the south do require school masking for all grade levels, and up to 20% of those 12-15 are vaccinated. So who knows how it'll play out.)

The government should NOT be overriding the JCVI in my view.

They won’t be ‘overriding’ the JCVI though. The JCVI actually laid out the path for the government to continue the rollout, so they’d be following JCVI advice.

I agree with pp this is far bigger problem than all 18mths put together, as this could have a very long term, permanent impact on my dc in a way that covid never could.

Have you not read Beware’s posts? Or are you just ignoring them?

No issue of the advice changes

It’s a close call by one group of experts, with too small a margin

It has been passed on now which is fine.

I prefer transparency of the process and would hope no one feels pressured either way

as this could have a very long term, permanent impact on my dc in a way that covid never could.

@stepupandbecounted. But that’s simply not true. I’ll ask again - why are you ignoring all my posts about how covid has affected my child, and the information showing that covid can has serious, long term effects?

Do you just have no answer to that? Not even a “sorry to hear what he’s been through, that sounds tough, hope he gets well soon?”

I suspect, Beware because they are inconvenient.

I don’t see where the problem is. If you don’t want the vaccine to be given- it’ll not be given. I think the chances of a school nurse or even a GP to go against an express denial of parents are next to zero. Just fill the form and say no. If you deny it and the kid wants it, the medical staff will contact you to discuss and you can have your position reiterated. But don’t pretend that because you don’t think it’s the right choice, then everybody else should be denied a choice. It’s an informed decision for most parents and most kids. Your right to avoid the vaccine is respected. I don’t think any discrimination will take place, at least that’s not the school style I’ve seen over the years.

I’m assuming, Beware btw that we have met previously and I have expressed sympathy for you and your DC before.

If not, then I am really sorry to hear about your experience and that some people find it so easy to dismiss given how awful it must be for your family.

www.nytimes.com/2021/09/03/health/delta-children-hospitalization-rates.html

Covid deniers handbook too isn’t it noble

Ridicule/stalk previous posts/accuse of scaremongering/ignore/“I don’t know any kids who got it therefore it doesn’t exist”/express no sympathy because they care about kids but no, not that kid because it doesn’t fit with their narrow world view.

Pick any three of those and you’re good to go, really.

And yes we have “met” previously and you have expressed your sympathy before. Thank you, that’s really kind to say. It is really fucking annoying to have it so blithely ignored/denied.

And I mean, I’m pro-this vaccine for my specific child. But if someone posted that their child had had an awful reaction to the vaccine, ended up in hospital and was still affected months later, I wouldn’t post “Well covid is worse.” I’d post “I’m so sorry to hear that, that must have been so stressful for him and you, I hope he recovers soon.” regardless of my beliefs.

Because I am a human, with normal human reactions. But 🤷🏻‍♀️

Op I think it’s great news

My link was to the NY TIMES article about hospitalization data in US. Don't know why it's been hidden.

@shewalkslikerihanna

Op I think it’s great news

Why is it great news to prevent other people from accessing the vaccine for their children?

Quite a few folk get married at the festival these days. Go, if the friendship doesn't persist it wasn't worth having anyways.

oops wrong thread !