1000+ in ventilator beds already & school return with no household isolation

[RumblyMumbly]

Number of people in ventilator beds 1,014 on 31/08/21

It has been a steady / manageable rise since restrictions lifted in mid May when there were 125 patients in ventilator beds & while obviously awful for the people affected and their families this means the NHS has coped while there has been a lot of Covid cases

Does anyone else feel we may be at the tipping point? Schools in England mostly return this week for Autumn term.

If we compare with last years school return there were only 71 ventilator beds occupied on 31/08/20. Yes, we now have 64% of the total population double vaccinated which puts us in a far better situation than last year when the population had no protection. However, we had household isolations this time last year for positive cases, this year other household members of a positive case will be attending school and workplaces alongside everyone else and generally people will begin meeting indoors much more over the next few months.

Purpose of my post - nervousness about what will happen next...I don't want schools to close at all, children have already had 2 years of disrupted education. But to give my own personal experience - obviously other peoples differ - secondary remote learning can work if absolutely necessary (full schedule of lessons / homework) but primary remote learning (1hr lesson per day) did not work AT ALL & the vast majority of primary aged children are not ready to become independent learners while parents are in an impossible situation as they can't work and moonlight as a teacher.

I hope SAGE / the Government are watching the figures very closely and if we need a circuit breaker in October to keep the NHS manageable they act fast.

I know of a few double vaccinated people who aren’t on ventilators but are still in hospital very ill.

Schools are also being “socially responsible” in Scotland, social distancing and mask wearing is in place….does that mean they aren’t useful if schools are to blame for the increased numbers?

Also, the link between positive covid tests and the need for hospital treatment has been all but broken (obviously some people still end up in hospital but nowhere near as many/ as serious). The vast majority of people who test positive have no or mild symptoms.

In the past week only 9 individuals aged under 65 have died within 28 days of a positive covid text (not necessarily died because of covid).

No need for the hysteria.

I must sit on hands and not rise to the bait.
I must sit on hands and not rise to the bait.
I must.............

@Mangomammy I think we need a lot more breakdown like that on stats for those in hospital/ICU and deaths. Also vaccination status if they have underlying conditions .

[quote Thewiseoneincognito]@TableFlowerss

respectfully, you’re misguided if you believe the public would accept a crippled health system in the thick of winter coupled with disrupted food deliveries and essential services. They will be calling out for a lockdown at the first signs of trouble.

I appreciate that reversing course would be a hard pill to swallow but living with Covid untamed and surviving is much much harder.[/quote]
Hmmm well if you’re right then that means accepting lockdowns etc forever more. Every year for life…. Because there’s no magic cure.

It is what it is. Nothing more can be done to stop covid other than lockdowns. People won’t accept that indefinitely. There would be a point where life and death situations will be made as to who gets care I suspect.

I hate to add to the worries, but what about the vaccines wearing off as well.

@Carrotcakeforbreakfast

"**Paying for more ventilators is still cheaper than another round of lockdown , furlough et"

Ignorance is bliss eh.
Who is going to look after these vented patients?

Was poster talking about ventilation in schools?

To add a small note of positivity, there are new treatments hopefully coming soon that will treat viral respiratory infections such as covid. These are showing great promise in trials, and would be a great addition to the armoury against covid, helping when the vaccines cannot be used or have failed. I’m hoping governments take notice of these as well as pushing vaccines.

@Billandben444
Thanks. There is no solution. Different people have different needs. My dd is in yr 9. I certainly do not want lockdown for her sake.

I had what I think was Covid in March 2020. There was a my lungs are on fire series of threads and I was one of those people. No one in the U.K. got tested at the time.

Unfortunately what I think was Covid left me with frozen shoulder and the jab left me with yet more neurological symptoms. I have a history of prescription drug poisoning.

It isn’t a choice to say I cannot have anymore jabs. I could be left in terrible terrible pain next time or suffer permanent paralysis. I’m already disabled from historic prescription drug poisoning and a series of surgeries.

@beentoldcomputersaysno

We could choose a better policy that doesn't leave thousands of kids unnecessarily harmed. What we already know about neurological impacts and long covid is scary enough, but some people just refer to the initial 'sniffles' of a few days for lots of kids. Long covid doesn't work like that though, neither do the neurological impacts - they occur in mild and severe cases. I think sending kids in without even addressing non-intrusive impacts such as ventilation is sickening. We can 'live' with it and have a policy to reduce risk. We don't know long term impacts of organ damage through covid etc. Vaccines are great, but they are not enough on their own. Kids don't even have vaccine.

*What we already know about neurological impacts and long covid is scary enough, but some people just refer to the initial 'sniffles' of a few days for lots of kids. Long covid doesn't work like that though, neither do the neurological impacts - they occur in mild and severe cases*

So where is your evidence for your above statements? What’s your source because your shouting out some rather significant informational here……

**But they are not the same at all. Addiction is a mental illness, so is obesity. There are no easy preventative measures that can be offered to these, unlike with coronavirus 19.

A very knee-jerk and ill thought-through reaction from you**

Omg I’ve heard it all now, are you actually saying that everyone that is obese has a mental illness?! Fucking hell

That’s statement makes a mockery of those that do suffer actual MH issues!

@50ShadesOfCatholic

Number of people in ventilator beds 1,014 on 31/08/21

Do you know how many of these are in because of covid, and how many are in following an operation? As I know the NHS is going through a huge operation backlog right now so wonder if a large number of these are in for ops not Covid.

Schools are also being “socially responsible” in Scotland, social distancing and mask wearing is in place….does that mean they aren’t useful if schools are to blame for the increased numbers?

Well I guess we'll soon see if they these measures make a difference when the English schools return without them (although many schools are going against the government advice and keeping them). I have a feeling that England is about to get far more cases than Scotland.

Scotland had low cases when cases in England were high though.
There's been a catch up occuring perhaps.

@minipie all of them are covid patients

Daily data available here:
coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

COVID-19 patients in mechanical ventilation beds. Data from the four nations may not be directly comparable as data about COVID-19 patients in hospitals are collected differently. Data are not reported by each nation every day and England data are not available before 2 April 2020. The UK figure is the sum of the four nations' figures and can only be calculated when all nations' data are available

Max number of Covid patients on ventilators was 4,077 on 24/01/21 when we were in full lockdown

In Wales over 40% of positive tests are from care homes and hospitals many others from workplaces who test. 40 in ventilated beds. We've got through the staycation numbers and coped . Lets see how it works with schools

Where I work every single intubated patient is a vaccine refuser.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

We can’t justify punishing children to protect adults who have chosen not to protect themselves.

Wow. The numbers on ICU will come down soon then as it burns through the unvaccinated. Honestly it’s crap because there are those who are unable to be vaccinated or the vaccines don’t work - but I have little sympathy for those who have refused vaccines. The rest of us need to get on with our lives now. I am not locking down for people who refuse a vaccine.

@MinesAMassiveSalad

Scotland had low cases when cases in England were high though. There's been a catch up occuring perhaps.

Scotland released their restrictions and had schools going back at almost the same time so its not just schools driving their increase.

They may just as equally be going through the same exit wave we saw back in July - there seems to be early indications that Scotland may have reached a peak so time will tell i guess.

Interesting to see the lack of any criticism towards the Scottish government about their policies from certain posters though given how much they go on about how shit England are.

Another big difference between now and October as year is that cases were rising rapidly at that time, which they aren't at the moment (cases in England have been dropping in fact).

So much is different to last autumn and if SAGE, Warwick et al can't predict what will happen then ransoms in the Internet certainly can't.(remember the graphs of doom that kept getting posted by the same few posters? Don't see those anymore...)

Although James Ward on twitter has been fairly close with his models so worth checking him out if you want actual facts and predictions without the hyperbole.

@Sugarandtime
So from your graph does that mean the vaccine isn't working in relation to deaths in the

See the Scotsnet board.😂

Just looked on scotsnet. On the one hand I found it reassuring that Sturgeon has said they don't plan any further restrictions as of yet even with rising cases (so obviously think they will continue to have NHS capacity). On the other hand I can see school disruption on an individual basis is coming e.g when the DC get their typical back to school colds they will need to take PCRs and isolate until results in. They should have learnt from last September though (when Dido Harding said no-one predicted the need for so much extra testing when schools returned) and hopefully there will be plenty of testing availability and quick results.

Medical people another question - when Covid patients need to be ventilated how long is it for on average? Days? Weeks?

There's 1030 Covid patients on ventilators on 01/09/21.

@CantHaveTooMuchChocolate

To add a small note of positivity, there are new treatments hopefully coming soon that will treat viral respiratory infections such as covid. These are showing great promise in trials, and would be a great addition to the armoury against covid, helping when the vaccines cannot be used or have failed. I’m hoping governments take notice of these as well as pushing vaccines.

That's a really important point @CantHaveTooMuchChocolate and hopefully less severe cases because of vaccinations plus better treatments mean better outcomes and less need for ventilators.