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Dr John's "Important Announcement" - we are all going to get it.

176 replies

vera99 · 01/09/2021 09:40

I've been following 'Dr' John since the start and always found him to be informative and useful. In his latest video, he has changed his tone somewhat.

If he's right, and the consensus is now that herd immunity is impossible, because the vaccine can't prevent transmission, then that's obviously very significant in terms of what the policy will be from now on.

This presumably also assumes that it's not going to be possible to 'tweak' the vaccine such that it can prevent onwards transmission.

He doesn't really talk about what happens if we get to a point where the health service can't deal with hospitalisation numbers.

Bring on the boosters, please.

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milkyaqua · 01/09/2021 12:37

Is he still banging on about Ivermectin?

MinesAMassiveSalad · 01/09/2021 12:37

And will they start really pushing a campaign to get fitter?

TheKeatingFive · 01/09/2021 12:40

Where are they on "tweaking" for variants?

I don’t think it’s actually necessary yet. The vaccines are efficacious enough in preventing death/serious illness for the variants we are dealing with.

Marcee · 01/09/2021 12:55

I dont find it depressing at all.

I think if everyone has been vaccinated, if they do get it hopefully very mildly.

And then it changes to something similar to a cold.
Might catch it every couple of years but a very mild effect if it does affect someone. Just something we live with- like the flu or a cold.

Munchyseeds · 01/09/2021 14:11

We watched this last night and it did depress me a little
I believe that we will probably all catch it eventually
My worry is that a variant will develope that vaccines are not effective against....back to square one??

TheKeatingFive · 01/09/2021 14:17

My worry is that a variant will develope that vaccines are not effective against....back to square one??

This is a helpful (and reassuring) read on that score.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/07/prof-francois-balloux-the-pandemic-has-created-a-market-for-gloom-and-doom

MarcelineMissouri · 01/09/2021 14:45

It’s realistic and sensible. I think it’s quite clear that it’s not going anywhere. Part of learning to live with it is accepting that we are all going to come in to contact with it and many/most of us will catch it.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 01/09/2021 14:47

I don't find it depressing. I accepted a while ago that I would probably get it, and DS too. Indeed we both caught it recently.

Hopefully the vast vast majority of people will not suffer too badly, which is what the vaccines help with.

TableFlowerss · 01/09/2021 15:05

It doesn’t matter if 50,000 people a day are infected, as long as the death rate is tiny in comparison, then that’s it.

It’s never going away, it’s here for good now, the same as the flu.

ifonly4 · 01/09/2021 15:09

I can't remember where I read it, but I read about three weeks ago that we'd all catch covid at some point. I guess all we can do is get the vaccine to give some protection in terms of how severe it is, eat sensibly and keep ourselves fit. For any that are overweight and concerned, then if they haven't done so already due to covid, try and lose a few pounds/stones.

sashagabadon · 01/09/2021 15:11

We were told this back in March 2020 by Patrick Vallance - but we (collectively) didn't really understand quite what he meant. It's taken the last 18 months for us the British Public to generally understand that it is not going away, it's here to stay and it will circulate in peaks and troughs for years to come just like flu does or the common cold.
Apparently there are about 45,000 common cold virus cases each day but no one really reports or tests for this or cares. I imagine Covid will go a similar way maybe by this time next year? ( I think we're going to have a bumpy Autumn/ Winter)
I think Australia will gradually join the rest of the world with their approach to Covid, state by state with NSW leading the way and NZ are still in denial and will stay in their bubble for a while longer yet.

I don't find it particularly depressing, it is what it is!

StormTreader · 01/09/2021 15:30

"Apparently there are about 45,000 common cold virus cases each day but no one really reports or tests for this or cares."

The difference here is that very few people are hospitalised or left with lasting effects from a cold.

lljkk · 01/09/2021 18:43

This is the same outcome for all countries; not just Britain. In 10 yrs time people will ask in the pub "Do you remember covid? Does anyone ever get that any more?"

Delatron · 01/09/2021 18:50

What I hope (and I have no scientific basis for this prediction) is that eventually, once you’ve had Covid a few times it becomes milder for you, your body gets better at fighting it etc. I know we don’t know that yet.

We do know that children get it mildly on the whole. So for their generation, as they get older they’ll have been exposed multiple times and therefore it will be less serious for them as it currently is for our elderly. Plus treatments and vaccines will get better.

I know there are questions about long lasting immunity but it’s a reasonable assumption to make I think.

I do think many people will struggle to get their heads around the fact we’ll all probably get Covid at some point and maybe a few times.

Guacamole001 · 01/09/2021 18:57

Of course we may just be asymptomatic and not know. Especially if we stop doing routine testing.

Remmy123 · 01/09/2021 19:00

Of course we will all get it ... I don't need Dr John telling me this

Sunshinegirl82 · 01/09/2021 19:10

@StormTreader

"Apparently there are about 45,000 common cold virus cases each day but no one really reports or tests for this or cares."

The difference here is that very few people are hospitalised or left with lasting effects from a cold.

That's because there is a background level of immunity in the population, acquired due to repeated exposure from childhood. That will happen with covid too (eventually) and the vaccines have given us a good head start immunity wise.
Suzi888 · 01/09/2021 19:12

I think we will inevitably all get it. The vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it, or passing it on. Vaccines just hopefully prevent you being hospitalised. No amount of boosters will stop you getting covid. Confused

fizbosshoes · 01/09/2021 19:19

The vaccine (I thought I had read) made you half as likely to catch it as someone unvaccinated so less likely to catch it and less likely to become seriously ill....?
Although I know you cant believe everything you read...

HarrisMcCoo · 01/09/2021 19:39

@lljkk

This is the same outcome for all countries; not just Britain. In 10 yrs time people will ask in the pub "Do you remember covid? Does anyone ever get that any more?"
Hard to believe that one day we will get all nostalgic about it. "Do you remember when we all used to queue up to get our food shopping and wear those face coverings?".
Againstmachine · 01/09/2021 19:49

Who the heck is Dr John it's ok telling us to ignore you tube scientists then we have YouTube sceintists.

I do agree with him we will all get it like eflu and common cold.

sretcarahceromro3ebtsum · 01/09/2021 20:02

I am really hoping we are now definitely on a one way route to it being just like a cold, albeit with all of us who are already adults having a worse time of infection because we didn't get it first when very young.

But - I am curious about the particularly nasty unique parts of covid - the blood clotting and so on. How do they fit in to this narrative? Do vaccinated people with cold-like symptoms get them less? Or not at all? Will it end up as truly just a cold, or as something that's always got a bit of a nastier edge to it?

Like lots of people, I've also always assumed I'd get it 'one day' regardless of what I did, so this video isn't really news, but it's been clear for a while that Delta means 'one day' is likely to be much sooner rather than later. I accept that, but I'm not so confident of my own health that I just don't care how I get it. I'd rather get it with the lowest possible dose of the virus possible, when I do get it, so being a bit careful still makes sense to me.

Notashandyta · 01/09/2021 20:34

Thanks for posting.

Bleak for those of us with relatives or close friends who won't get vaccinations. I can't even talk to my mum about it without a torrent of angry madness.

I'd rather know (and like many of us have suspected as such) so me and my family can prepare ourselves as best as possible.

samyeagar · 01/09/2021 20:40

@sashagabadon

We were told this back in March 2020 by Patrick Vallance - but we (collectively) didn't really understand quite what he meant. It's taken the last 18 months for us the British Public to generally understand that it is not going away, it's here to stay and it will circulate in peaks and troughs for years to come just like flu does or the common cold. Apparently there are about 45,000 common cold virus cases each day but no one really reports or tests for this or cares. I imagine Covid will go a similar way maybe by this time next year? ( I think we're going to have a bumpy Autumn/ Winter) I think Australia will gradually join the rest of the world with their approach to Covid, state by state with NSW leading the way and NZ are still in denial and will stay in their bubble for a while longer yet.

I don't find it particularly depressing, it is what it is!

Here in the US, early on "Flatten the curve" was the big catch phrase, and it is pretty clear that very few people actually understood what that meant. Far too many people thought that meant that covid-19 was going to be contained, eradicated, stopped, or that any of the mitigation measures were driving towards that end as well. It meant nothing of the sort. All Flatten the curve, and the mitigation steps as well, meant was taking steps to control the rate of inevitable spread to try and keep the healthcare systems from being overloaded with huge spikes in cases.

Early on, like Feb/Mar 2020, the information suggested it was extremely likely that covid-19 would work its way through the population and become classed as endemic.

Cyrsethatballoon · 01/09/2021 21:29

Is this really news? I think it's here to stay, no one will be looking back at this time in 10 years time as it will still be everywhere.