If the government were honest about the next 4 months

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They'd say that children are probably going to catch covid, there is nothing to stop this happening. Lots of families will probably catch it off their children, school staff will probably catch it off children too.

Education is going to be disrupted again if the above happens. No way around it. But it could be 'over' by November when the bad weather kicks in and older folk start getting ill as per usual circumstances. At that point booster vaccs could start.

It's definitely 'an approach', but not telling people that this is the plan is unfair. Do you think people have realised this yet? Or are the Emperor's new clothes still in view?

No

It’s testing that’s the issue

If you’re I’ll go home if not it doesn’t matter

Everyone who’s at risk has been offered vaccine

We can’t be isolating and testing forever and this virus will be with us forever

Can’t say I’ve ever had a flu test or a test for a cold

I know covid is different but for vaccinated, the symptoms are pretty much same is not more minor now

We have on average 20,000 flu deaths a year yet we don’t isolate for it

@Watapalava

No

It’s testing that’s the issue

If you’re I’ll go home if not it doesn’t matter

Everyone who’s at risk has been offered vaccine

We can’t be isolating and testing forever and this virus will be with us forever

Can’t say I’ve ever had a flu test or a test for a cold

I know covid is different but for vaccinated, the symptoms are pretty much same is not more minor now

We have on average 20,000 flu deaths a year yet we don’t isolate for it

I guess your school hasn't passed the guidance for this term onto parents yet

"what will stay the same?
Coronavirus hasn’t gone away so there will still be a need for schools, pupils and students to follow basic measures to avoid the spread of the virus:

Testing remains important in reducing the risk of transmission of infection within schools....

What if someone tests positive or has symptoms? Do they need to isolate?
Self-isolate straight away "

There you go.

Of course, there have always been some who send their infectious children into school to spread it around everyone else, and I guess if you are in that camp you won't change, even if other people could end up in hospital or worse if your kids spread it.

It's not legally mandated, so you can ignore the advice innit.

@CallmeHendricks

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You may be sending kids home to test but neither or my teens have or will test if asymptomatic None of their friends test either

And here is exactly why we are in the shit position we are in.

And what shit is that? People are largely living normal lives, and, yes, some of them are getting Covid, but with the vast majority recovering... True, some sadly dying, but at rates not really any different to the flu, with Covid only being the 10th highest cause of death.

I will ignore testing yes 100%

I will test and isolate if sick but that’s all

I imagine I’m in majority camp tbh

majority camp? I hope not

Watapalava, yes I'm sure you are in majority camp. What you say makes perfect sense to me.

The schools can ask parents to test, I use the word ask though. It's not mandatory and it never has been to test children thank goodness.

Herecomesthesun why can't you accept that most people have had enough? No one is telling you that you shouldn't isolate, test or wear a mask but most people now don't. That's a fact. Look around when (if) you go out, people are cracking on with life.

Surely by doing it this way the wave will be crashing right at the winter period? And we'll be coping with the aftermath all through Winter.

We're still in August... We'd get any peak over by October half-term if we let things take their natural course. Given how infection Delta is, it wouldn't take long. Then by November, you have schools full of children with strong natural immunity - a really good place in which to start winter.

Yes, expecting massive disruption.

My secondary school kids test twice weekly. One has had Covid already, we've had massive disruption already and multiple cases in schools.

watapalava
But if you are ill and asymptomatic, you can still pass it around to others - the effectiveness of the vaccines for the most vulnerable will already be starting to wane. I know you’ve said you don’t care but how will you live with yourself when all you needed to do was to stay away from others whilst you were infectious ? If your children have sickness and diarrhoea, do you ignore the stay at home for three days rule too or is it just Covid which gives you the rage?

I honestly don’t get it. I love being out, going on holiday, shopping and meeting people but a quick test (they really aren’t that difficult to do) and isolating if you are Covid positive, plus some mitigation in places where we KNOW Covid spreads easily seems sensible. The extremes on Mumsnet have been a real eye-opener.

@Peteycat

Herecomesthesun why can't you accept that most people have had enough? No one is telling you that you shouldn't isolate, test or wear a mask but most people now don't. That's a fact. Look around when (if) you go out, people are cracking on with life.

When I go out around here, people are wearing masks inside.

I realise you don't get it x

BustopherPonsonbyJones, but for how long? How long do you think it will go on for? The vaccine was apparently the answer, it clearly wasn't.

@Peteycat

BustopherPonsonbyJones, but for how long? How long do you think it will go on for? The vaccine was apparently the answer, it clearly wasn't.

It was a help. It isn't you know, magic. We still need to help things along a bit (masks, testing, common sense, bit of consideration for others etc)

Yes you can pass it around and sorry but that’s unfortunate

Do I care? Yes of course but not enough to inconvenience and grind the country to a halt no

All at risk have been vaccinated or offered it

Those minority’s at risk will always be at risk whether this virus or the next

They perhaps need to restrict their activities moving forward - unfair but the isolations and restrictions are unfair and affect far more

No I don’t isolate 3 days for D&V - I keep them off til they’re better that’s all

there you go then, there's always some.

Where you at must be an anonomly

I move around England a lot for work and mask wearers are now 5% at best from my experience

Can you explain WHY you don’t want your children to test? Are you or they really scared of the tests or is that an excuse so you don’t need to isolate? Most of the time, you’ll do them and nothing will show so why is it a concern? You wouldn’t be isolating every week and contacts don’t need to isolate any more. It would just keep you out of circulation whilst you can infect others who aren’t as robust.

I can’t imagine anyone is REALLY worried about the lateral flow tests but I’m interested.

There are also some who literally can’t get their heads round living with covid

It’s majoe health anxiety I’m sure (goes against all evidence) and it must be so debilitating for those who have it

@Watapalava

Where you at must be an anonomly

I move around England a lot for work and mask wearers are now 5% at best from my experience

Nah, visited a fair few villages l 3 cities across 3 counties in recent weeks, masks everywhere in the shops. It's very reassuring.

Outside is different - we hardly ever wear a mask in the open air, so if that's where you're looking, people won't be wearing them, because they don't need to?

Honestly because if they are asymptomatic I don’t care if they have covid or not

I actually don’t really care if they have symptoms if they’re ok but would test just so I can send them back to school if not covid

There you go - an honest (and I imagine popular in real life) answer

I’ve moved around a lot too and I think it’s still 60/40 towards wearing masks- including London which surprised me. I am quite sure it will fall until (if) cases rise again when I think they’ll be back with a vengeance. That worries me less than people who don’t want to isolate if they are Covid positive though. It isn’t a nasty cold and I think testing, particularly if you are mixing in workplaces/schools where you are less likely to socially distance is important.

Here

I do not belive a word your saying

Hardly anyone wears masks now

@Watapalava

There are also some who literally can’t get their heads round living with covid

It’s majoe health anxiety I’m sure (goes against all evidence) and it must be so debilitating for those who have it

sadly covid would be even more debilitating for any vulnerable people infected by people not bothering to follow government advice to test

but then you don't care about them

@Watapalava

Here

I do not belive a word your saying

Hardly anyone wears masks now

Oh but they do in my personal experience, staying in a city centre and shopping etc. The hotel we stayed in asked for masks and the customers were complying. and so on.

sorry that should read

sadly covid would be potentially even more debilitating for any vulnerable people infected by people not bothering to follow government advice to test

I mean , it would be pretty debilitating to be on ICU for a start, let alone long lasting symptoms. Or worse.