I've had the vaccine but now I'm scared

[Laney39]

I have had 2 shots of pfizer vaccine. I was scared to get it but eventually did. Now I'm terrified I should have taken my chances with covid. I've read that people will eventually die from these vaccines because it's new technology that hasn't been tested in the long term. How do the spike proteins stop producing? What will happen in 5 or 10 years time or does it just wear off?
People are saying it's all just a big money making thing for pharma companies and that we'll all get sick and need more drugs.
I can't sleep, I can't stop thinking about it. Can anyone help and reassure me?

@Urghhhhh
Surely if that was a thing we'd see severe Covid cases in jabbed people. But the evidence shows quite the opposite, much milder cases.

Below is the conclusion from that Nature article - we just don’t know.

I presume we are studying this. But I don’t know that either.

The point is it’s not as straightforward as sometimes laid out and the general atmosphere of being unable to question vaccines at all is pretty terrifying. Things do go wrong with vaccines. We pulled the Swine flu one after it killed 17 people. I believe we have around 1500 confirmed deaths from these vaccines in the UK,

•Conclusion
ADE has been observed in SARS, MERS and other human respiratory virus infections including RSV and measles, which suggests a real risk of ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based interventions. However, clinical data has not yet fully established a role for ADE in human COVID-19 pathology. Steps to reduce the risks of ADE from immunotherapies include the induction or delivery of high doses of potent neutralizing antibodies, rather than lower concentrations of non-neutralizing antibodies that would be more likely to cause ADE.•

@hamstersarse Your article predates the vaccine rollout and is really old in terms of COVID vaccine study. ADE was indeed a huge concern and was studied by each of the vaccine companies (it’s there in their protocols and results if you want to read about it). There is no ADE caused by these vaccines and that is why we have all been offered them and COVID in the vaccinated is milder, not enhanced.

the general atmosphere of being unable to question vaccines at all is pretty terrifying.

Of course vaccines are questioned. Reporting of adverse reactions is encouraged through the yellow card system and the results are published:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

I believe we have around 1500 confirmed deaths from these vaccines in the UK
What is the source for this? Confirmed by who?

Oh for fucks sake, I work in clinical trials. There are thousands of extremely competent, professional and ethical people who make a living ENTIRELY from questioning vaccines.

There is no ADE caused by these vaccines

I’m honestly not being arsey but could you show me the studies @ZydecoLaydee

As far as I have seen it’s still unconfirmed

The yellow card system is not publicised. Most people don’t even know it exists

@Mybalconyiscracking

Oh for fucks sake, I work in clinical trials. There are thousands of extremely competent, professional and ethical people who make a living ENTIRELY from questioning vaccines.

You don’t think there is an atmosphere at all which immediately shuts down anyone vaccine hesitant?

I mean, just read the comments on this thread?

I think these types of threads are fuelling vaccine hesitancy. I still haven't had mine (plan to have Pfizer on Wednesday) because of severe health anxiety that isn't helped by all these threads describing awful side effects - long and short term

I think we should be able to discuss concerns but I also think there is a level of responsibility

I don't think Bloomberg is considered a 'tin hat' media outlet

But I personally don't think this blanket 'vaccinations are safe' and 'be quiet' anyone who questions it is a good way for a civilised society to run

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-21/science-can-t-keep-up-with-virus-creating-worry-for-vaccinated?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=business&utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_source=twitter

@hamstersarse

There is no ADE caused by these vaccines

I’m honestly not being arsey but could you show me the studies @ZydecoLaydee

As far as I have seen it’s still unconfirmed

We have vaccinated billions of people whilst coronavirus is at pandemic levels, and yet there has not been a single confirmed case of ADE.

Numerous, replicated studies from all over the world demonstrate that the vaccines reduce the severity of illness, not enhance it. This includes re-infection studies.

This was an old, hypothetical concern which has been pounced on and propagated by the anti-vaccine contingent (I'm talking about the "big names" like Yeadon and the Hart group), not people who are genuinely vaccine hesitant and looking for information.

You've had this pointed out to you on multiple threads @hamstersarse and yet you keep repeating the same points?

But that Bloomberg article clearly says that vaccines are safe and provide good protection against hospitalisation - I'm not sure what you take from it?

I wish Mumsnet would act as a responsible social media platform and take down antivax nonsense.

Especially given one of the high risk groups at the moment is pregnant women who are looking to mumsnet for advice.

It doesn’t sit comfortably with me at all.

@pfizerfizzer

I think these types of threads are fuelling vaccine hesitancy. I still haven't had mine (plan to have Pfizer on Wednesday) because of severe health anxiety that isn't helped by all these threads describing awful side effects - long and short term

I think we should be able to discuss concerns but I also think there is a level of responsibility

Absolutely, super important for people to be able to discuss concerns and ask questions.

However I think there's a level of personal responsibility that if you find something scary online you do a quick search first to check the source (in general, not specifically you!)

It's very easy to see that the GP linked by the OP is actually retired and has been warned several times by the GMC for propagating misinformation. She has a history of denying COVID, saying that masks are harmful etc etc, alongside the crap she's spreading about vaccines. In addition, I've never understand why if you have 1000 experts broadly saying one thing, you'd go for the minority opinion (which often when you dig down is not from someone with expertise in the area).

[quote hamstersarse]I don't think Bloomberg is considered a 'tin hat' media outlet

But I personally don't think this blanket 'vaccinations are safe' and 'be quiet' anyone who questions it is a good way for a civilised society to run

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-21/science-can-t-keep-up-with-virus-creating-worry-for-vaccinated?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=business&utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_source=twitter[/quote]
Again this false dichotomy is being presented.

Spreading misinformation is not the same as genuinely asking questions about vaccine safety and efficacy.

I agree re personal responsibility, I really do. I just know as a health anxiety sufferer that it can trigger a panic and avoidance reaction. I haven't had my vaccines yet and I could have had them very early (nhs, not CEV) so I've really delayed out of fear.

Hope I get myself there on Wednesday and hope there's no side effects!!

hamatersarse

“Spreading misinformation is not the same as genuinely asking questions about vaccine safety and efficacy.”

Absolutely. But when the OP says something like “I’ve read these vaccines are eventually killing people” (sorry I can’t get back to the op without losing my post)

That is the very definition of spreading dangerous disinformation.

@speckledostrichegg

Everything is a hypothetical concern unless you have proof to the contrary. I don't see that you have provided evidence that there is no risk of ADE?

ADE would not be something you would see immediately, if hypothetically, it was going to happen. The data from Israel is showing something is changing with vaccine efficacy - so what is this and why?

Why do people get so upset about these sorts of questions?

@pfizerfizzer

I agree re personal responsibility, I really do. I just know as a health anxiety sufferer that it can trigger a panic and avoidance reaction. I haven't had my vaccines yet and I could have had them very early (nhs, not CEV) so I've really delayed out of fear.

Hope I get myself there on Wednesday and hope there's no side effects!!

No of course, and I complete understand about the health anxiety. Once you get a fear of something it's really to shake, even if logically you know it's irrational. I used to work in a lab with a cell model of a particular disorder, and even though I knew it was biologically impossible, at times of high stress like exams I used to wonder if I'd genetically engineered myself and would drop dead imminently

My recommendation would be to go to the vaccine centre on Wednesday whatever you're thinking - knowing you don't need to have it if you're not comfortable - but at least you can chat through your concerns with someone qualified

ignore my many typos, have had 2 hours sleep!

Oh and…

“People are saying it's all just a big money making thing for pharma companies and that we'll all get sick and need more drugs.”

This is spreading misinformation, wouldn’t you agree hamstersarse ?

@hamstersarse

The yellow card system is not publicised. Most people don’t even know it exists

Yet the information sheets that I, Dh and DD were all separately given for each dose of our Pfizer vaccines mentioned reporting any side effects this way.

Its also been mentioned on social media so much this past 6 months or so.

[quote hamstersarse]@speckledostrichegg

Everything is a hypothetical concern unless you have proof to the contrary. I don't see that you have provided evidence that there is no risk of ADE?

ADE would not be something you would see immediately, if hypothetically, it was going to happen. The data from Israel is showing something is changing with vaccine efficacy - so what is this and why?

Why do people get so upset about these sorts of questions?[/quote]
I don't understand how you're linking decreases in vaccine efficacy with ADE?

As the virus gain mutations, the vaccines become less effective and therefore the protection is lowered. This isn't the same as vaccines causing adverse effects after someone is infected.

Heres what I'd like to say to the purveyors of all the conspiracy/antivax people...

@everythingthelighttouches

hamatersarse

“Spreading misinformation is not the same as genuinely asking questions about vaccine safety and efficacy.”

Absolutely. But when the OP says something like “I’ve read these vaccines are eventually killing people” (sorry I can’t get back to the op without losing my post)

That is the very definition of spreading dangerous disinformation.

No-one in the whole world can categorically state that the vaccine will not kill you. That is the actual truth.

But then so could me going down my stairs.

Scaremongering? No, it is about informed consent of the risks and admitting we don't know a whole lot about the long-term effects. I personally don't feel like the atmosphere of censorship and shutting down of questions gives anyone informed consent and it is a big big problem.

I personally don't feel like the atmosphere of censorship and shutting down of questions gives anyone informed consent and it is a big big problem.

@hamstersarse

You're not asking questions, you're stating things (which you've done quite a bit of) without consideration the wealth of evidence from reputable sources that says the opposite