Deaths Due To PfizerVaccine?

[roses2]

I've read a few posts on MN now that Pfizer has been rolled out to millions that the number of deaths caused by receiving the vaccine is not far off the AZ vaccine.

The press horrible about AZ and has really tainted its benefits whereas there is very little negative press about Pfizer.

Does anyone have any comparison (easy to read) data on deaths caused by the various vaccines and does anyone know why there is so little info on deaths caused by Pfizer (PR / lawyers working overtime on adverse media?!)

There diagnosis is not tachycardia, will ask tomorrow.

Probably anxiety then, can't think of any other reason for prescribing BBs if not for tachycardia

loads of people I know have had pfizer and we are all okay.

@Nerdygirl

People need to be aware of yellow card reporting and neither were told about this and were not aware . Nor was I or anyone i have spoken to so therefore there is a danger we don’t have a complete picture .

There diagnosis is not tachycardia, will ask tomorrow.

I'm not sure if you mean people need to be aware of yellow card reporting to report their own symptoms - the majority are - this is how other side effects have been identified.

I find it a coincidence that despite severe adverse effects being very rare (I personally don't know anyone) it seems to be the posters who have been adamantly anti-vaccines since the roll out who know multiple people affected.

Here is the link to the new study which shows that the risk of blood clot is similar with Pfizer and Astrazeneca but both much lower than the risk of a blood clot if you catch Covid.

Of course the bad PR for AZ is political. It’s tragic actually that it has got this bad press. And yes whilst that has meant that poorer countries can snap up the ‘unwanted vaccine’, apparently they don’t want it because it is ‘not good enough for richer countries so why should we have it’. So the bad press is causing vaccine hesitancy in places like Africa which is the LAST THING the world needs. It’s all tragic PR.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.euronews.com/next/amp/2021/07/29/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-similar-to-pfizer-spanish-study-finds?client=safari

Now the link !

@Blessex

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.euronews.com/next/amp/2021/07/29/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-similar-to-pfizer-spanish-study-finds?client=safari

Now the link !

thank you! that is the study I was thinking of and could not find

papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3886421

Here is another great link to this study which ends like this…

www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/08/10/clot-a10.html

However, these studies also suggest the danger of politicizing research, which can only work to dissuade the population from seeking these life-saving measures. The mixture of national tensions, commercial considerations and elements of panic over AstraZeneca’s COVID vaccine led to major slowdowns in the vaccination program in Europe and other countries globally. It fueled vaccine skepticism and hesitancy that furthered the unnecessary rise in preventable deaths.

The exceedingly small risk associated with AstraZeneca was elevated to a major political and media talking point and detracted from focusing on the enormously greater dangers associated with the pandemic infections. Vaccines should be evaluated on the basis of science and not hysteria. The case of AstraZeneca is just one example among many of how the vaccine rollout has been distorted and rendered less effective by the commercial concerns and national tensions inherent to capitalism.

So to OP - yep it’s driven by politics and economics. Tragic. Pfizer’s PR team will be laughing all the way to the bank.

@Nerdygirl

People need to be aware of yellow card reporting and neither were told about this and were not aware . Nor was I or anyone i have spoken to so therefore there is a danger we don’t have a complete picture .

There diagnosis is not tachycardia, will ask tomorrow.

Information about the yellow card reporting scheme was given to me as part of the general information about the vaccines when I had mine. Other people I know were also given this. I assumed it was given to everyone at the time of their vaccination.

I've still got the leaflets I was given so I just double checked them to make sure I wasn't imagining having seen it

@WineGetsMeThroughIt

I had come across this the other week. I have visited the government website myself where the yellow card reports were published. They were very very long. Broken down by report for each vaccine and detailed every side effect reported (keeping in mind only a small percentage of side effects are actually reported). The final page of the report tallied up the fatalities and when the 3 vaccines were added up together they did align with the 1517 deaths reported in the image below.

The yellow card website is here and the breakdown for each vaccine listed in Annex 1 for anyone looking for it. www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

@Blessex Agree. But I have learnt you can't argue with health anxiety. The best vaccine is the one available to you. For most people across the world.

@Blessex

So to OP - yep it’s driven by politics and economics. Tragic. Pfizer’s PR team will be laughing all the way to the bank.

And AZ have said (largely after the EU took them to court) that they will never ever produce a drug at cost again. It's been far too costly both in terms of reputation and financially. Unnecessarily.

So when we have another pandemic the cost to vaccinate the world will be much higher than it should be and it will probably take far longer to develop effective therapies and vaccines.

@titchy fully agree. I mean look. I am not saying AZ are completely amazing. I am sure some poster will drag some historic event up. However they have acted in the best interests here of us all by producing a vaccine at cost, able to be stored at fridge temperatures. And all they have got is a monumental kicking, politicians trashing the science (as if they know), lawsuit threats, bad and seemingly unfair PR for their product. Why on earth would they do it again.

It’s all tragic PR.

The fact it's being called "PR" is what I believe is actually fuelling a lot of vaccine refusal.

Hesitancy might be caused by fear of blood clots.

Refusal, I think, (and there is a difference) is caused by the fact people were tying themselves up in knots and bending over themselves to deny it. To deny it could even be a possibility. "Clots no higher than they are in general population" remember that headline? That statement was on AZ website long after other counties halted the rollout. "You are aware of the contraceptive pill, aren't you?" remember those sneery posts on here? Bit disingenuous when any idiot with the skills to google could read that it was a completely different issue causing concern.

This is what actually breeds the real distrust. The distrust that can't be fixed with reassurance about how dangerous the virus is (lol) and how the vaccine is safer in comparison. That only works on the hesitancy type of distrust and is actually easily fixed - as evidenced on this thread by pp whose dh talked her into it.

The real distrust is more like the belief that it doesn't really matter what the figures say. The vaccine deaths could be 30 or they could be 30,000, the government and big pharma would press on anyway. They're already too committed to ever backtrack or U turn. You don't really fix that with helpful links or encouragement or sneers or dismissal. And yet it happens on every thread, every tweet, every fb post.

It's not having the effect people would like to think it's having....

Thanks for this. From the data I can see:

AZ 1036 deaths out of 226959 sample size (0.456%)
Pfizer 486 deaths out of 101483 sample size (0.479%)
Moderna 10 deaths out of 12569 sample size (0.080%)

How on earth do Pfizer get away with this not being more publicised- I'm pretty annoyed about this

@roses2

Thanks for this. From the data I can see:

AZ 1036 deaths out of 226959 sample size (0.456%)
Pfizer 486 deaths out of 101483 sample size (0.479%)
Moderna 10 deaths out of 12569 sample size (0.080%)

How on earth do Pfizer get away with this not being more publicised- I'm pretty annoyed about this

Can you link to those exact data please. You've just posted that 1 in every 200 people who are vaccinated will die as a result which I'm sure you didn't mean as it's clearly bollocks.

Ok it's a % of adverse reactions not total administered. And adverse reactions reported is about 5 in 1000.

@titchy

There diagnosis is not tachycardia, will ask tomorrow.

Probably anxiety then, can't think of any other reason for prescribing BBs if not for tachycardia

Long term damage apparently @titchy after a long stay in hospital but call it anxiety if that makes you feel better

Has anyone read the new book Vaxxers by the two women who developed the AZ vaccine. The true story itself? How the media and politicians manipulated and misinterpreted data? It’s a great read.

Stats wrong in last post. 1500 deaths out of 47m people vaxxed is 0.003%

The stats I posted are from the gov.uk links someone posted further up

I looked at results reported vs deaths as a %

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1010797/COVID-19_mRNA_Pfizer_BioNTech_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_DLP_04.08.2021.pdf

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1010799/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print_DLP_04.08.2021.pdf

Read this extract. Next time we will add political scientists to the team. Why? To sort the political issues and the incorrect PR.

Think what you like @Foliageeverywhere122I have no vested interest in making this up . I am merely given some personal experience and I am open minded enough to consider these people aren’t lying or making things up to suit an agenda . They were probably the most pro vaccine people I know

@titchy

Ok it's a % of adverse reactions not total administered. And adverse reactions reported is about 5 in 1000.

OK sorry I see I got the stats wrong now - oops! . The reports don't state how many vaccinations were given to calculate the % deaths