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roses2 · 2021-08-17T09:48:21+00:00

I've read a few posts on MN now that Pfizer has been rolled out to millions that the number of deaths caused by receiving the vaccine is not far off the AZ vaccine. The press horrible about AZ and has really tainted its benefits whereas there is very little negative press about Pfizer. Does anyone have any comparison (easy to read) data on deaths caused by the various vaccines and does anyone know why there is so little info on deaths caused by Pfizer (PR / lawyers working overtime on adverse media?!)

Mummyoflittledragon · 17/08/2021 15:07

It’s ok it’s good to ask these questions. I also wonder.

titchy · 17/08/2021 15:18

@Nerdygirl

It’s not freaking people out . It’s good to ask these sorts of questions so we have the facts based on data and not political motivation or something

It's not good at all when OP posts something from S Korea then 'forgets' to include the fact that none of the deaths reported were actually due to the vaccine.

It's just your usual common or garden anti vaxxer spreading misinformation for some very bizarre unknown reason.

titchy · 17/08/2021 15:20

@ineedaholidaynow

And how many people have heart issues since having COVID?

Probably bloody loads given the proportion of the population that has been vaccinated. You'd be hard pushed to find anyone who has developed something random that hasn't been vaxxed.

FeelingJittery1 · 17/08/2021 15:25

@titchy is that the link you are referring to? Sorry I haven’t clicked it as don’t want to freak out more?

There was a post up thread about lawyers being really good at injunctions- which is what caused me to panic. Although I think that was an assumption

mog27 · 17/08/2021 15:31

Given the reputation of Pfizer it's hardly surprising. You don't get fined $2.3 billion for illegal marketing claims for no reason. Then you also have to ask yourself if a company who willingly tested on over 200 Nigerian children has any morals at all. But yeah, big pharma are doing everything they can out of the kindness of their hearts lately so we can conveniently forget their dodgy pasts 🙄

Nerdygirl · 17/08/2021 15:36

But Pfizer have already admitted to “rare” cases of heart issues so there is a correlation . And as I said 2 colleague having no identical issues 2 days after the vaccine is a big coincidence. Neither knew about yellow card reporting and so side effects are being hugely under reported

Nerdygirl · 17/08/2021 15:37

Having identical issues not no issues

Foliageeverywhere122 · 17/08/2021 15:39

@Nerdygirl

But Pfizer have already admitted to “rare” cases of heart issues so there is a correlation . And as I said 2 colleague having no identical issues 2 days after the vaccine is a big coincidence. Neither knew about yellow card reporting and so side effects are being hugely under reported

It is established that pfizer and moderna can cause the rare side effect of myocarditis

It's also clear, after billions of vaccine doses have been given, that the benefits greatly outweigh the risks of coronavirus infection

FeelingJittery1 · 17/08/2021 15:41

is there data on clots? Or is that Uber reported as well?

I think the OP stated the thread with the clot issue in mind

Foliageeverywhere122 · 17/08/2021 15:44

@FeelingJittery1

is there data on clots? Or is that Uber reported as well?

I think the OP stated the thread with the clot issue in mind

There is a European preprint somewhere - can't remember the group or title that demonstrated the incidence of CVST is comparable across pfizer, moderna and AZ, but is far lower than that of infection.

If I can track it down I'll link

Muffinsandfruitcakes · 17/08/2021 15:44

I shouldn't have come onto Mnet now should I! I am 30mins from my second dose and now I am in two minds.

Foliageeverywhere122 · 17/08/2021 16:31

@Muffinsandfruitcakes

I shouldn't have come onto Mnet now should I! I am 30mins from my second dose and now I am in two minds.

oh my goodness do not take health advice from dubious threads on MN

go to your appointment and discuss any concerns with a clinician there!

AppleDaily · 17/08/2021 16:44

This is from the UK's most recent yellow card reporting, up to August 4th:
AZ - 412 cases of rare blood clots, of which 73 people died.
So rare clot fatality rate is 18%.

Pfizer - 15 cases of rare blood clots, of which 1 person died.
So fatality rate of rare clots in Pfizer cases is 7%.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#analysis-of-data

ineedaholidaynow · 17/08/2021 17:06

@AppleDaily that 18% fatality rate is misleading and likely to cause panic amongst some people. The fatality rate for blood clots as a percentage of everyone who has had AZ vaccine (And not just everyone who then has blood clot reaction) will be much lower.

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 17/08/2021 17:09

I had come across this the other week. I have visited the government website myself where the yellow card reports were published. They were very very long. Broken down by report for each vaccine and detailed every side effect reported (keeping in mind only a small percentage of side effects are actually reported). The final page of the report tallied up the fatalities and when the 3 vaccines were added up together they did align with the 1517 deaths reported in the image below.

titchy · 17/08/2021 17:13

@WineGetsMeThroughIt

I had come across this the other week. I have visited the government website myself where the yellow card reports were published. They were very very long. Broken down by report for each vaccine and detailed every side effect reported (keeping in mind only a small percentage of side effects are actually reported). The final page of the report tallied up the fatalities and when the 3 vaccines were added up together they did align with the 1517 deaths reported in the image below.

Good question in that 'info'graohic. 1527 deaths possibly attributable to the vaccines. 150,000+ deaths definitely attributable to covid. 47,000,000 people vaccinated. Gosh it's a mystery isn't it...

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Muffinsandfruitcakes · 17/08/2021 17:19

@Foliageeverywhere122 thanks. Dh managed to allay my fears and I have now got my 2nd jab! Thankfully I had no side effects for the first one apart from a sore arm so I am hoping the second one won't be a problem either ...

BIWI · 17/08/2021 17:22

The Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine is non-profit making, whereas Pfizer is all about the profit.

It's hardly surprising, then, that the Pfizer jab is miraculously kept out of the bad news stories, is it?

Nerdygirl · 17/08/2021 19:41

Two of my colleagues are now on blood thinners for life and suffering from consistently high heart rates that require beta blockers . Both happened 2 days after vaccination . Neither were aware of yellow card reporting . We can dismiss it and say it’s rare but it is happening. And hence why it’s being investigated

The chances of those people dying from covid was also rare but we seem to over estimate that. We need open and honest reporting and people to report so we build a complete picture and make decisions based on fact

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Nerdygirl · 17/08/2021 19:42

And titchy, not all deaths were directly attributed to covid . Some were, some died with it as has been reported many times

Foliageeverywhere122 · 17/08/2021 19:52

@Nerdygirl

Two of my colleagues are now on blood thinners for life and suffering from consistently high heart rates that require beta blockers . Both happened 2 days after vaccination . Neither were aware of yellow card reporting . We can dismiss it and say it’s rare but it is happening. And hence why it’s being investigated

The chances of those people dying from covid was also rare but we seem to over estimate that. We need open and honest reporting and people to report so we build a complete picture and make decisions based on fact

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I'm not sure why you think there isn't "open and honest reporting". The rare adverse effects of CVST caused by AZ and myocarditis caused by pfizer have been established and are now official side effects that are considered before someone is given the vaccine.

What do you think needs to be done differently?

I am surprised that you have two colleagues who appear to have an diagnosis of tachycardia which requires the slightly strange treatment plan of both beta blockers and "blood thinners for life". So they've both had a clotting issue - which I'm assuming was a myocardial infarction as you've said it's a heart issue? Alongside the tachycardia?

Nerdygirl · 17/08/2021 20:06

People need to be aware of yellow card reporting and neither were told about this and were not aware . Nor was I or anyone i have spoken to so therefore there is a danger we don’t have a complete picture .

There diagnosis is not tachycardia, will ask tomorrow.

PreacherTeacher · 17/08/2021 20:06

What @BIWI said.

titchy · 17/08/2021 20:07

@Nerdygirl

And titchy, not all deaths were directly attributed to covid . Some were, some died with it as has been reported many times

If you use the measure where covid is directly attributable to the death the numbers are higher than the measure used in the dashboard (the methodology of which is used because it's closer to that used in other countries and means comparisons are possible). In other words we are under reporting if anything - MORE people have died of Covid.