Will this level of cases now just be acceptable?

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Just having a think to myself. We're now at around 30k cases a day in general. The 7 day average daily deaths is about 89 (this was for around 45-50k cases a day). We can assume that I a month or so deaths will be at around 60 a day.

Over a year that works out at about 21k worth of deaths. Will this just be the acceptable number. We know the vaccine doesn't stop the spread so I highly doubt were ever just going to get down to sub 5k cases a day again.

21k is considered a very mild flu death rate for the year. We have a new virus around now so more deaths a year are going to be a thing whether we like it or not.

I also think red list countries should only be for countries with worrying variants. If I don't have to isolate if my wife tests positive (just daily testing) then why on earth would I have to spend 1500 on a government hotel to quarantine as I've been to a country with a lower covid rate than us?

Sorry about the rant.

If the NHS is able to cope then yes it's an acceptable level of cases

@Peteycat

You are interested because a few posts up you ask twice, once to me and once to another poster if we are opposed to the vaccine.

I'm not cross BTW! I'm allowed a different opinion to you! That doesn't mean I'm cross!

Maybe it is just all! the! exclamation marks!

You keep saying you are allowed a different opinion, of course you are.

Do you have a problem with a general question? They are quite normal and you are free to ignore them. The OP asked me questions about when I thought we should stop testing etc.. I am happy to answer or not, as I wish.

Going back through the thread, you also asked why someone had an emotional need for covid to be over. You started with the questioning.

The exclamation marks are for dramatic effect as Im shocked you would accuse me of being cross!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!! !!

@Peteycat

Going back through the thread, you also asked why someone had an emotional need for covid to be over. You started with the questioning.

You really don't have to go back through the thread

Yes you answer, as you should. Then unfortunately you let yourself down with biting other posters that don't agree with you.

@Peteycat

Yes you answer, as you should. Then unfortunately you let yourself down with biting other posters that don't agree with you.

I think you should maybe let it go now, try to remember I am a random poster on a web forum and this is not that important.

My dd did summer school at induction at school last week as she starts y7 soon. I did a random lft yesterday only symptoms was sore eyes and tired. Positive. Not poorly though

A huge amount. Aside from banning all smoking, we could ban all meat production for starters. And alcohol. And high calorie foods. Compulsory exercise for all. Regular weighing in with the GP and enforced dieting. Take all cars off the road to combat air pollution. Ban plastics. Triple everyone’s tax contribution so we can pay for the most expensive drug therapies

In response to these suggestions of how to bring cancer rates down, given that a sizeable number of people won't even wear a mask, there's no hope in hell of implementing any one of the things above, let alone all.

Covid can be combatted with some simple and cheap things like hands, face, space. Plus of course vaccines and other treatments in development.

@NannyAndJohn when you say 'remember last year' yes - that was before we had vaccines. Not comparable.

@Skiptheheartsandflowers

A huge amount. Aside from banning all smoking, we could ban all meat production for starters. And alcohol. And high calorie foods. Compulsory exercise for all. Regular weighing in with the GP and enforced dieting. Take all cars off the road to combat air pollution. Ban plastics. Triple everyone’s tax contribution so we can pay for the most expensive drug therapies

In response to these suggestions of how to bring cancer rates down, given that a sizeable number of people won't even wear a mask, there's no hope in hell of implementing any one of the things above, let alone all.

Covid can be combatted with some simple and cheap things like hands, face, space. Plus of course vaccines and other treatments in development.

@NannyAndJohn when you say 'remember last year' yes - that was before we had vaccines. Not comparable.

Whilst I’m not debating the rights and wrongs of banning or enforcing things…. You do realise that if you ban things at government level, they are not obtainable ‘easily’ generally, ie cigarettes, vs enforcing wearing something like a mask. It’s quite the wrong argument.

@NannyAndJohn

What people are failing to realise is that this 30000 a day (which by itself is catastrophic) is merely the floor.

We are currently in the height of summer with minimal indoor mixing thanks to palatable weather and schools and universities being on holiday. When they return, and combining this with the start of flu season and waning vaccine immunity, it's going to be carnage.

Last summer cases were 100 times less than they are now. Remember what happened next?

Also - Variants and Long Covid.

With respect, cases vs deaths ratio was completely different last summer to this summer due to testing and vaccinations.

It’s not comparable in any way shape or form.

[quote NannyAndJohn]Contacts have been found to have decreased since schools closed, @Quartz2208.

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That is to the 2nd though @NannyandJohn. It was I would say fairly conservative until then but the last two weeks I have never seen places so busy.

And again places like Florida cases currently are through the roof so you do wonder whether the

@lannistunut

It is, IMO, too high - but we have the government we have, so that's that.

I would be very much less concerned if we were vaccinating young people.

We shouldn’t push a vaccination on children or young people. The vaccination hasn’t gone through the normal years of testing, we haven’t tested sufficiently on children. Children are at at very limited risk of having any serious symptoms of covid, and all vaccinations have proven to only limit symptoms not prevent infection or passing along to others. Therefore it’s a higher risk to vaccinate children.

We need to protect and safeguard those vulnerable to serious illness. Provide safety nets financially to those in this situation. There is no catch all net possible in any solution. Which is very sad.

Well you put it in to perspective from my point of view…

In the last month, I’ve found out about 4 young people that I know (not well but friends of friends/family) dying from cancer to strokes. The youngest being 24 and the oldest being 47 when they died.

Now the older I get the more I hear if these situations, where people I know of, have either been given cancer diagnosis for example and have already died or they have at best a few more years. One lad I know has been told he won’t live until he’s 40 so he’s maybe gut a few more years yet.

You just don’t know what’s around the corner! You can guarantee that within another couple of months, another young person I know or my my partner knows, will have succumb to cancer, brain tumour, aneurysm or whatever…

I was saying to my sister today, the number of people that die young is terrifying. I genuinely think that I will feel lucky, if I get to live until I’m 80. So many people die young, it’s frightening. Again, to the point where I think that anyone that makes it to 80 is doing very very well.

In response to these suggestions of how to bring cancer rates down, given that a sizeable number of people won't even wear a mask, there's no hope in hell of implementing any one of the things above, let alone all.

I’m not suggesting we do any of these things.

I’m saying it’s possible to minimise death from other causes if we take extraordinary measures. But we don’t. Because we’re comfortable with quite high levels of cancer deaths.

What we’ve already done for covid is totally unprecedented. Your post glosses over the fact that people locked down for months on end. However in the longer term covid will become just like other diseases that people die from and we accept.

For people saying hospitals arent overwhelmed….
Mine has had 15-20 hours A&E wait recently

Hospital in a big city with a major trauma unit

@TheKeatingFive

In response to these suggestions of how to bring cancer rates down, given that a sizeable number of people won't even wear a mask, there's no hope in hell of implementing any one of the things above, let alone all.

I’m not suggesting we do any of these things.

I’m saying it’s possible to minimise death from other causes if we take extraordinary measures. But we don’t. Because we’re comfortable with quite high levels of cancer deaths.

What we’ve already done for covid is totally unprecedented. Your post glosses over the fact that people locked down for months on end. However in the longer term covid will become just like other diseases that people die from and we accept.

You’re wrong to compare it to cancer. Cancer is not viral or contagious. I have not lived through a pandemic, nor have you unless your over 70 years old.

Polio, Spanish flu etc

Comparing things that are not comparable is just not furthering things for anyone.

@WaterIsBest

For people saying hospitals arent overwhelmed…. Mine has had 15-20 hours A&E wait recently

Hospital in a big city with a major trauma unit

I know so many people that have left their jobs as doctors and nurses recently.

I don’t think it’s just covid, it’s pay, conditions, work life balance, investment in the NHS is at an all time low anyhow.

You’re wrong to compare it to cancer. Cancer is not viral or contagious.

I haven’t said it’s similar in terms of disease.

However it is possible, in both cases, to greatly minimise deaths if we take extraordinary measures. It’s just that we don’t with cancer, and we’re comfortable with high numbers of deaths per year.

Comparing things that are not comparable is just not furthering things for anyone.

Of course it’s comparable in some ways. It’s a disease that kills people that poses questions for public health. It’s not comparable in others, in that it’s not contagious. That’s not a very difficult concept to get your head around.

For people saying hospitals arent overwhelmed…
Mine has had 15-20 hours A&E wait recently

This is down to isolations, they need to scrap it now. My db (nhs worker) is currently isolating for ten days because someone he lives with has tested positive. Loads of hospital staff off even though they don't have it. They will do away with testing soon probably - it's causing more problems than it's solving.
Someone on the covid board mentioned it would be very interesting to see how many people test in public v private sector. Don't underestimate how many people out there will be thoroughly enjoying their fully paid time at home (my db included).

I really hope you are right OP and that the government stick to their plan of no more lockdowns.

And no my dcs won't be getting vaxxed either. Both dh and I have had it and have both been very ill, dh has never been this ill in the 20 years I've known him. Its possibly nothing to do with the vaccine but I'm not risking it.

@TheKeatingFive

Comparing things that are not comparable is just not furthering things for anyone.

Of course it’s comparable in some ways. It’s a disease that kills people that poses questions for public health. It’s not comparable in others, in that it’s not contagious. That’s not a very difficult concept to get your head around.

We’re talking about a pandemic causing the lockdown of life as we know it. Your original comment was specially about that too. It has no comparable to cancer in that sense. The only comparable is illness requiring medical care. We don’t react the same way to cancer as it’s not a viral contagious illness. We do research, invest, talk about cancer all the time though.

The only comparable is illness requiring medical care.

Nope. They are both illnesses that we can drastically reduce the death count of by taking extraordinary measures. Or do you deny that the list I posted upthread would reduce cancer deaths if implemented?

The fact that extreme measures would be taken in different circumstances (pandemic versus non pandemic) doesn’t negate my point. Or are you suggesting that 150,000 cancers deaths a year are somehow less tragic or less worthy of being tackled because it’s not a pandemic situation?