Normal life is back

[ExmoorValley]

I don't know about you but life where I am is pretty much back to normal, masks in shops falling rapidly. People having a good time. Covid barely gets mentioned now. (and yes I know people are still catching it and a tiny proportion will die)

It feels great. So what happened to the 200,000 cases a day doom scenario peddlers on here? They seem rather quiet.......

I mean, were MN to do that, people might think that they had an agenda.

Maybe pin something to the top of each thread saying-

'Just be mindful that some posters on MN have an agenda'

Were fully back to normal. We've not wore a face mask anywhere in weeks, been abroad on holiday, been out to restaurants and pubs, deleted covid app. Lifes great.

I feel like if this is normal, then life is a lot more difficult than I remembered. A lot more shit.

Life would be a lot more normal if I didn't have to wear a mask all day at work and be sticking swabs up my nose twice a week. Plus seeing a GP face to face would be nice.

*why force on view onto everyone"?

Because that's what's actually happening?

@MarshaBradyo. Your ignorance is stunning.

@Doodlebug71

*why force on view onto everyone"?

Because that's what's actually happening?

@MarshaBradyo. Your ignorance is stunning.

Thanks for the nice comment. You are rude and aggressive.

I don’t think so. I listen to scientists, CMO, CSA.

I don’t need a ‘sticky’ with your post. None of us do even if you think you know more than everyone.

It does put me off this everyone is stupid stuff except me people post. I’d forgotten how unpleasant and abrasive it is.

And completely wrong.

@ExmoorValley

I don't know about you but life where I am is pretty much back to normal, masks in shops falling rapidly. People having a good time. Covid barely gets mentioned now. (and yes I know people are still catching it and a tiny proportion will die)

It feels great. So what happened to the 200,000 cases a day doom scenario peddlers on here? They seem rather quiet.......

*a tiny proportion will die"

You are clearly not one of the several hundred who died this week.

Perhaps that's what feels great: it wasn't you mourning the death of someone you loved.

How did the UK get to this point? Such a lack of humanity and compassion. Are you all voting Tory, perchance? That's the only reason I can think of for such a lack of humanity and compassion.

@Greenmarmalade

I feel like if this is normal, then life is a lot more difficult than I remembered. A lot more shit.

Ha - this is a fair point!

@MarshaBradyo. Ha. I'm rude and aggressive?. I'm following and citing the scientists. You clearly are *not.

[quote Doodlebug71]**@MarshaBradyo*. Ha. I'm rude and aggressive?. I'm following and citing the scientists. You clearly are not.[/quote]
Is Chris Whitty not a scientist?

He is important one for me as he plays a big part in what we do.

What is happening is based on his views.

Re the 1200 signatories and WHO - that some would prioritise have they reverted from previous statements?

Around 10,000 people die every week in the U.K. why must we only care about the Covid deaths? Why are they the only ones that matter? Those few hundred are completely unacceptable and we should be grateful we aren’t one of those!

It’s ridiculous! And hypocritical. Where’s your humanity for the other 9,800?

Life is pretty much back to normal for us apart from travel of course. I only ever followed the rules because they were law as I'm not scared of catching Covid. Enjoying freedom and living without restrictions now.

You are clearly not one of the several hundred who died this week.
Perhaps that's what feels great: it wasn'tyoumourning the death of someone you loved.

Unfortunately people do die, its life, its inevitable. Whilst we can take precautions to minimise our risk of death by all means, we can not prevent deaths in their entirety occurring from a singular cause.

I mean, yes, she clearly isn't one of those who have died this week. Unless she's managing to post on MN from the other side.

Were they actually expressing a " belief, expectation, prediction" though? Or simply saying it was a possibility? If the former, they were wildly wrong.

Here you go. Could have googled it yourself:

Calling it a "dangerous and unethical experiment," more than 4,000 scientists, doctors, nurses and other professionals signed a letter published Wednesday condemning the British government's plans to drop most pandemic control measures in England on Monday, July 19.

"We believe this decision is dangerous and premature," they wrote in a letter to the Lancet medical journal.

"The UK Government must reconsider its current strategy and take urgent steps to protect the public, including children. We believe the government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause plans to abandon mitigations on July 19, 2021," they added.

"Instead, the government should delay complete re-opening until everyone, including adolescents, have been offered vaccination and uptake is high, and until mitigation measures, especially adequate ventilation and spacing are in place in schools. Until then, public health measures must include those called for by WHO (universal mask wearing in indoor spaces, even for those vaccinated)," they wrote.

The letter, originally signed by a few dozen researchers, now has more than 4,200 online signatures. ...

Epidemiologists have instead urged the government to adopt smarter policies like continued mask use and investment in ventilation in schools and workplaces, while allowing more time for greater vaccination coverage before lifting measures.

"Contrary to the statements of government scientists, there is no scientific consensus over the government's current plans to remove protective mandates on July 19. Instead, there is deep disagreement," Lancet editor Dr. Richard Horton said in a statement.

"Many scientists are sincerely concerned that with sub-optimal double-vaccination numbers and rapidly rising transmission rates, we are at a very dangerous moment in the pandemic. Removing mandates on July 19 will not only accelerate virus transmission, with substantial increased levels of acute illness, hospitalization, and long COVID, but also create the conditions for the emergence of new variants that could escape vaccine protection."

edition.cnn.com/2021/07/07/health/uk-opening-scientist-letter/index.html

The government touted 100k cases/day to make people feel better at 50k/day IMO. The fact it has gone better than thought doesn't change the fact we ARE living through a risky experiment. All the way through this the UK government have been reckless, that is their nature.

Of course it is good for us all the 100k has not transpired, but that doesn't mean I agree with it as a 'strategy' - I do not believe it was a strategy personally, it was a gamble.

We have one in 75 with covid, this is a concern. We have quite a lot of deaths and a heavy burden on hospital resource. We're stuck in a draining holding pattern currently, we will have to see what comes next.

The ONS figures are that 680k to 770k people had CV last week, isn't that, on avg, around 100k per day.

Just because folk haven't come forward to be tested, doesn't mean infections are extremely high.

Latest today in the Telegraph and Times this morning suggests that not a single scientist believes another lockdown or heavy restrictions will be needed this autumn or winter, with under 5% of covid patients in hospital it seems very unlikely that the hospitals will struggle, indeed they are now comfortable with all modelling scenarios for this winter, that there will not be a problem in terms of hospital capacity. The patients requiring medical help remains very very small.

Even Professor Ferguson well known for his doom mongering modelling has suggested the pandemic will end in the Uk in September/October.

So as always we need to listen to the science. The pandemic, at least here, is coming to an end.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-coronavirus-pandemic-over-september-vaccines-neil-ferguson-b947801.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/13/need-back-normal-taskforce-end-chaos/

The government touted 100k cases/day to make people feel better at 50k/day

And the scientists who wrote letters what was their motivation?

What do you call what Chris Whitty advised? Not ‘strategy’ then as you keep saying.

It is worth noting that we could have 500,000 cases a day, as long as they don't require medical treatment and have mild illness, as is the case with most people then the infection rate per se is largely redundant, as a result many ministers and scientists are asking for mass testing to be scrapped. The important indicator from now on should be hospital admissions and deaths. We need to adjust to life with covid, and living side by side with a virus as have always done with the flu and other coronaviruses.

[quote stepupandbecounted]Latest today in the Telegraph and Times this morning suggests that not a single scientist believes another lockdown or heavy restrictions will be needed this autumn or winter, with under 5% of covid patients in hospital it seems very unlikely that the hospitals will struggle, indeed they are now comfortable with all modelling scenarios for this winter, that there will not be a problem in terms of hospital capacity. The patients requiring medical help remains very very small.

Even Professor Ferguson well known for his doom mongering modelling has suggested the pandemic will end in the Uk in September/October.

So as always we need to listen to the science. The pandemic, at least here, is coming to an end.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/uk-coronavirus-pandemic-over-september-vaccines-neil-ferguson-b947801.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/13/need-back-normal-taskforce-end-chaos/[/quote]
Yes posters are still focusing on cases.

Hospitalisation is key. If we remain within capacity restrictions aren’t required. Tg

It seems to be taking some people much longer to adjust to the fact that they no longer need to be fearful of infection rates, infection rates are just people with mild covid or no symptoms at all.

By hyper focusing on the wrong stats, they miss the bigger picture which is that very few people require any medical help whatsoever, it is a mild illness than easily be managed at home.

Until they get to grips with the normal range of death that happens through all illness, covid now included, for very old, infirm people then they will not escape the fear of the covid bogeyman. It seems no amount of science, facts or reassurance will help. Maybe there are other reasons for this fixed negative mindset, and the biggest impact is really happening to them not us, it is their life to waste so to speak.

It is annoying that the news channels still run the stats endlessly and breathlessly as if they were breaking news, it would help to stop some of this covid on a loop now, and let people enjoy their lives now in peace.