More half term circuit breaks on the way!

[3asAbird]

Not sure totally true but irreversible means nothing.

Its seeme a plausible possibility.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/government-starts-planning-firebreak-covid-24707119
Appears over October half term and Xmas holidays be optimum time.

When I think back to last year Wales 2 weeks circuit break dident do much good.
Neither did November mockdown closing businesses but keeping schools open.

We don't have any mitigating measures in place for school no distancing , masks .
No vaccination even 16 to and 17 year old won't be vaccinated in time.
Kids will be back from holidays with no need to quarantine.
They can also go schools if parent or siblings test postive.

This all sounds like a recipe for disaster especially we now being told double vax doesn't block transmission .

Waxonwaxoff

That is of course your choice, my choice is to not endanger those I love.

[quote lannistunut]@Waxonwaxoff0 if you child has a KW place that's grand, but also irrelevant to general discussion.

You have no evidence that the vaccination will change the compliance rate. People's personalities have not been changed by the vaccine. Presumably the 'sheeple' are still as cowed as ever by the system?[/quote]
"Sheeple?" Never used that word in my life. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I'm just fed up of being told that it's illegal to hug my loved ones and I'm not doing it any more.

@traumatisednoodle

Waxonwaxoff

That is of course your choice, my choice is to not endanger those I love.

Yeah, yeah. You're clearly SUCH a better person than I am. That patronising talk doesn't work on me.

I'm just fed up of being told that it's illegal to hug my loved ones and I'm not doing it any more.

Good-o. The fact remains for all the talk of 'no-one will comply' the numbers have been stable. Roughly two-thirds prioritise society, one-third prioritise themselves. Obviously the two-thirds prioritise society because that is, to their view, ultimately best for themselves.

If there is a circuit breaker, my guess is most will do as requested.

I am just stating my position, I have seen first hand what the Christmas mixing caused, would I comply to avoid 10's of thousands of deaths, school closed for 3 months and a virtual shut down of non essential healthcare ? yes I would.

@traumatisednoodle

I am just stating my position, I have seen first hand what the Christmas mixing caused, would I comply to avoid 10's of thousands of deaths, school closed for 3 months and a virtual shut down of non essential healthcare ? yes I would.

Is that likely to happen again at this stage though?

@lannistunut

I'm just fed up of being told that it's illegal to hug my loved ones and I'm not doing it any more.

Good-o. The fact remains for all the talk of 'no-one will comply' the numbers have been stable. Roughly two-thirds prioritise society, one-third prioritise themselves. Obviously the two-thirds prioritise society because that is, to their view, ultimately best for themselves.

If there is a circuit breaker, my guess is most will do as requested.

If only it was that black and white. "Prioritising society" has also meant forcing people out of work, destroying their livelihoods, isolating children from their peers, isolating people who live alone.

Who knows ? I hope not.

I'm not going back round the same boring loop we did last year as we are not discussing a lockdown, we are talking about a circuit breaker going forwards.

Two-thirds will observe it is my guess, there was a lot of noise at the outset no one would do it, every time it has been pretty stable.

Talking to anti-restriction fanatics is a waste of energy, we just have to factor them into the modelling and get on without them.

Annoying to see these ‘sources said’ reports start up again

Feeling good we’re coming out of this, not this

circuit breaker barely worked when people weren't vaccinated.

It's pointless and won't happen and if it does compliance wouid be extremely low.

Feck that.

And the op puts more certainty in op than needed. Who knows how it will go.

Back to usual Covid threads depressing. Why seek it out.

Sure. But this narrative that people who don't comply with lockdown only care about themselves and everyone who does comply is a saint that cares soooo much about others is boring. Truth is, we are all selfish in some ways and the vast majority of people would prioritise their own family over strangers.

Why would we need a circuit breaker ? Are you anticipating the hospitals overflowing again ?

@traumatisednoodle

Waxonwaxoff

That is of course your choice, my choice is to not endanger those I love.

My choice would be to give those I love the option of spending Christmas together.

I saw my elderly aunt for the first time since 2019 at the weekend. When I walked in she asked if she could hug me and of course I said yes. We've always hugged and I thought how sad it was she felt she had to ask.

I think it should be taken with a pinch of salt. But, as every adult in my family is double jabbed then there's no way we will be changing Christmas plans like last year's fiasco.

If they (government) are worried about the spread so badly, they should have reduced travel over the summer and kept mask wearing as mandatory etc. We risk heading into another full lockdown with Flu rearing it's ugly head as it basically had a year off. Mutations of flu would have been harder to monitor as well so I sense some doom and gloom in the winter with the NHS being overwhelmed by both Covid strains and flu. A lockdown will happen and deaths will go up. Depressing but I can't see it going well.

I'm quite glad they have some sort of plan in place. They should really have done this last autumn, it would have saved hundreds of lives.

@lannistunut

I'm just fed up of being told that it's illegal to hug my loved ones and I'm not doing it any more.

Good-o. The fact remains for all the talk of 'no-one will comply' the numbers have been stable. Roughly two-thirds prioritise society, one-third prioritise themselves. Obviously the two-thirds prioritise society because that is, to their view, ultimately best for themselves.

If there is a circuit breaker, my guess is most will do as requested.

I really don't get how lockdowns actually prioritise society. Be very definition society involves socialising, something that is severely curtailed in lockdown. It seems that we've forgotten that social interaction is extremely important to.us as social animals. We are horrified at the idea of keeping other social animals in solitary confinement and try to ensure that they are kept in groups when in captivity, but there are people that are happy for people to be kept away from others and in the case of single people in what is virtually solitary confinement for the sake of "society". Society cannot function without socialisation, humans cannot do much more than actually exist while socially isolated. Personally I think when we, as a species, look back on this time in a hundred years or so, we are going to be horrified at how we kept children away from others and prevented them from.having an education, how we isolated the vulnerable, elderly away from their families, how we destroyed businesses and livihoods. All in the name.of keeping people "safe".

There are people who have died in the last 18months (not of covid), who have spent their last months away from their families. People in hospices who haven't been allowed visitors in their final days, to keep them "safe from covid", despite the fact that they are in their last weeks/months.

Life is much more than just being alive, and there is seems to.be a large number of people that have forgotten that.

Contingency plans are just that. It's more planning than for previous lockdowns at least!

Looking forward to the analysis on the pros and cons of lockdowns in a few years. When unfortunately we see the true long term effects.

As an emergency measure to a novel situation to protect a healthcare crisis lockdown was necessary.
As a long term strategy to be still relying on nearly two years later with a high level of vaccinations? No way. Surely everyone can see this? Even the
most cautious in government admit this.

It’s interesting that Sweden haven’t suffered from a third wave by going in and out of lockdowns. Yes currently their death rate is higher than their Scandinavian neighbours but as a long term strategy we may look back and realise their approach was the best. The mistake they made was not protecting the care homes in the first wave. They’ve done a lot better than the rest of Europe who have gone in and out of lockdowns (with the inevitable peak of cases every time we open up).

I often wonder what the ‘I’m doing what I want’ group would say if it was their child/mother etc who was denied treatment due to the nhs being overwhelmed with Covid patients or if they were left to bleed out at the side of the road after a car crash because there was no ambulance coming due to them all transporting Covid patients.

I’m sure this would be happily accepted as a consequence of others ‘doing what they want’. Am I wrong?

If we lockdown then we won’t have a choice about doing most things. The govt will shut the gyms, the shops, bars and restaurants. It’ll be shit and we will largely have no choice but to go along with it.

However, I don’t think it will happen. I’m really hopeful that the vaccines will get us through this next winter and that things will be a lot better by spring.

If we lockdown then we won’t have a choice about doing most things. The govt will shut the gyms, the shops, bars and restaurants. It’ll be shit and we will largely have no choice but to go along with it.

But we do have the choice to allow who we want in our homes, to go out as many times as we want, to go shopping as many times as we want and to ignore the frankly crazy rules that say we can't sit on park benches etc.

I often wonder what the ‘I’m doing what I want’ group would say if it was their child/mother etc who was denied treatment due to the nhs being overwhelmed with Covid patients or if they were left to bleed out at the side of the road after a car crash because there was no ambulance coming due to them all transporting Covid patients.

I constantly surprised at the faith people have in the health service to ‘save’ them. I didn’t have that to begin with. Perhaps because my FIL died of a heart attack 3 years ago purely because the ambulance didn’t get there in time.

We can’t keep locking down to save the health service. All we’re doing is shoring up many long term problems in order to mask the fact that the health service isn’t fit for purpose and will require a radical overhaul to function effectively in the future. Let’s start having those conversations and taking action now, rather than keep kicking the can down the road with lockdowns.

Covid is here to stay. If we need to radically reimagine our health service to deal with that, let’s face it head on. Locking everyone down when things get hairy was only ever suitable as a short term solution. Humans aren’t designed to live like that.

The mirror? Not exactly a trusted source, didn’t realise it was even still about

It won’t happen.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

If we lockdown then we won’t have a choice about doing most things. The govt will shut the gyms, the shops, bars and restaurants. It’ll be shit and we will largely have no choice but to go along with it.

But we do have the choice to allow who we want in our homes, to go out as many times as we want, to go shopping as many times as we want and to ignore the frankly crazy rules that say we can't sit on park benches etc.

Agree but tbh I don’t find food shopping fun. Most of the things I like to do were shut down (restaurants, pubs, clothes shops, trips abroad).