More half term circuit breaks on the way!

[3asAbird]

Not sure totally true but irreversible means nothing.

Its seeme a plausible possibility.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/government-starts-planning-firebreak-covid-24707119
Appears over October half term and Xmas holidays be optimum time.

When I think back to last year Wales 2 weeks circuit break dident do much good.
Neither did November mockdown closing businesses but keeping schools open.

We don't have any mitigating measures in place for school no distancing , masks .
No vaccination even 16 to and 17 year old won't be vaccinated in time.
Kids will be back from holidays with no need to quarantine.
They can also go schools if parent or siblings test postive.

This all sounds like a recipe for disaster especially we now being told double vax doesn't block transmission .

I don’t think it will happen but I think the suggestion that it will be over Christmas is disgusting.

Hospitality won’t be able to survive another closed xmas and even the idea of it fills me with dread for my family members who run restaurants! Also people will not stay away from family again, my friend lost her mum suddenly in Feb and her regret is that she listened to Boris and his tier 4 nonsense and stayed away from her family for Xmas day she will never get that time again! I will never be told I can’t see my family again and I know most people feel the same so all it will do is destroy more businesses as people will do what they want in their homes.

It clearly states that they are planning in cases hospitals are on the brink to to all illnesses not just covid. Very sensible to plan. Does not mean atall that it will happen.

No it’s a contingency plan IF the nhs becomes overwhelmed not we Will be having circuit breaks .

@Katie517 Totally agree with you. Ive worn masks. Ive had the vaccine. Not staying away from my family.

Why havent they gone back to the original pandemic contingency plan. The one that didnt involve lockdowns.

Is it because the compliance for the THREE lockdowns we have had was more than they could have hoped and dreamed.

@MercyBooth

Why havent they gone back to the original pandemic contingency plan. The one that didnt involve lockdowns. Is it because the compliance for the THREE lockdowns we have had was more than they could have hoped and dreamed.

What was that?

The saving lives, health, and economy one of pandemic border control - keeping the virus and any new strains out in the first place.

Or, the genocidal 'let the bodies' pile up - many many killed and disabled approach?

A pandemic doesn't go away by ignoring it. Either mitigation measures are taken (ideally stopping the virus take hold in the first place through border control), or millions worldwide are killed and disabled.

Better than more lockdowns would be:

• booster jabs for all vulnerable and over 40s (mix and match possibly). Plus 12+ vaccines. (Have we enough supply for all this?).

• border control.

• mandatory masks in enclosed public spaces.

• Ventilation. Filters in schools and public transport.

You can't compare to last year though. Last year zero people had been vaccinated. Now most adults have. Vaccines mean that hospitalisations and deaths are substantially reduced. No one knows what will happen but I honestly wouldn't panic just yet.

@3asAbird

It wasent long enough and by xmas they ended up with similar high infections to England. Northern Ireland had 4 week circuit breaker. If there's a 3 week lag then 2 weeks is not enough. I guess depends how high infections are by October .

I’m one of the “they”.

Don’t think our infections dod mirror England, but haven’t checked the data since then.

Tealightsandd

“Better than more lockdowns would be:

• booster jabs for all vulnerable and over 40s (mix and match possibly). Plus 12+ vaccines. (Have we enough supply for all this?).

• border control.

• mandatory masks in enclosed public spaces.

• Ventilation. Filters in schools and public transport.”

^ yes. Exactly this.

Goal posts moved again I am double jabbed as asked and won't lock down again #enoughisenough

Thats not what i said. I said the original pandemic plan. The 2016 one. Was it called Operation Cygnus?

Hardly any would comply with any sort of restriction on seeing people inside households. This is where most of the spread is so other measures if this can’t happen will be ineffective.

Basically this

78% of adults in the UK have had the jab

If vaccines dont work, there is literally no point with circuit breaks…
Weve been told time and time again,
Covid is going nowhere, we have to start living with it

You're right. Governments going back to pre Boris time in 2016 should've taken notice of the findings.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/what-was-exercise-cygnus-and-what-did-it-find

The Cygnus report was frank about the state of the UK’s readiness. “The UK’s preparedness and response, in terms of its plans, policies and capability, is currently not sufficient to cope with the extreme demands of a severe pandemic that will have a nationwide impact across all sectors,” it found.

But really the best way to deal with a pandemic is to stop it from becoming one. Border control. Obviously everywhere should have done the same as Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, and other places. But we can't control what other countries do and some, i.e. the UK kept wide open borders to welcome Covid in.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Yeah. I'm not staying away from my family over Christmas.

Unfortunately, I know someone who lost their parent following a Christmas day get together 😞

Vaccines do work, they are doing most of the heavy lifting to sort this out, but if we go back to pre-2019 behaviour in the autumn/ winter / Christmas period we are going to have problems. We will need behaviour modification s too, at least in the short/ medium term.

My children's one surviving grandparent told us all to keep away last Xmas for all our sakes. There is an argument for distancing, precisely because you care about the other person. (Not sure whether the plan will change this year, now the adults are vaccinated)

If people want to stay away from their loved ones at celebratory times of the year, for the foreseeable future, that is entirely up to them, yes.

@ClaudettaAteTheFeta so? Unfortunately that could happen at any time now, Covid is here to stay. Unless we all lock away forever, some people will still die from this. My parents are not elderly or vulnerable so I've never been majorly concerned for them, and my mum has already had Covid.

Why does anyone think this will happen we’ve been vaccinated haven’t we ?

Unfortunately, I know someone who lost their parent following a Christmas day get together

I suspect a lot did , In January over 1000 people a day died of Covid . But Now we have the vaccine there is no reason for not seeing family this Christmas.

@Imnothereforthedrama

Why does anyone think this will happen we’ve been vaccinated haven’t we ?

I think it could happen because there’s a long time between now and winter. Various scenarios are possible.

Based on what we know at this moment in time I think it’s unlikely, but then I’d rather have people planning for the unlikely but possible.

If this last year has one lesson to teach it’s that things change and adaption is a strength.

I think it could happen because there’s a long time between now and winter

That’s your reason ? That’s not a reason the possibility based on what ?