What do you do if a family member is an anti-vaxxer?

[BrutusMcDogface]

I’m so angry with my sibling for putting my parents at risk. So very, very angry.

WWYD? Avoid him? Avoid them?!

Can’t believe he’s being so selfish!

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@leafyygreens

Sorry, not completely clear what point you're making there?

If it's that the vaccinated rarely catch Covid, that seems to have been disproven over the last few weeks, hence the CDC about-turn.

It's clear that the data on breakthrough infections in the US has not been collected accurately. Many states have yet to share any information on breakthrough cases.

Anecdotally, there have been many reports in the US media of multiple vaccinated members of hospitals/sports teams/event attendees contracting and spreading Covid in recent weeks.

[quote blue12345]@leafyygreens

Sorry, not completely clear what point you're making there?

If it's that the vaccinated rarely catch Covid, that seems to have been disproven over the last few weeks, hence the CDC about-turn.

It's clear that the data on breakthrough infections in the US has not been collected accurately. Many states have yet to share any information on breakthrough cases.

Anecdotally, there have been many reports in the US media of multiple vaccinated members of hospitals/sports teams/event attendees contracting and spreading Covid in recent weeks.[/quote]
You stated ..Covid now thought to be spread equally between vaccinated and unvaccinated

As I said, vaccination prevents infection in the vast majority of people, even with increasing breakthrough infections due to delta.

If you don't have COVID you cannot pass it on. In the minority of vaccinated people who do become infected, one study from CDC found that whilst these people showed a reduction in transmission, it did not reach statistical significance. This is far from definitive and experts have explained further research in larger samples in needed.

Therefore, the statement you made about transmission being equal in vaccinated versus non vaccinated is not true. The CDC report was initially not reported correctly by the media, and though the headlines have since been altered, the rumours persist.

@leafyygreens
If the study failed to reach statistical significance, why do you think the CDC reversed their mask mandate based on it?
It was a deeply unpopular decision and did their bid to vaccinate all Americans no favours.

@leafyygreens

Also, you say that:

'The CDC report was initially not reported correctly by the media, and though the headlines have since been altered, the rumours persist.'

But Fauci said that himself in an interview. It wasn't just a poorly worded headline.

@Neverrains

Well I wouldn’t do anything. The person they’re putting most at risk by not being vaccinated is them-self.

Exactly.....

I've had the vaccine but I still believe it's a case of each to their own. At the end of the day, COVID vaccines have not been around for long and we don't 100% know if there are any negative long term side effects. So if he's young and healthy I can kind of see his point.

[quote blue12345]@leafyygreens
If the study failed to reach statistical significance, why do you think the CDC reversed their mask mandate based on it?
It was a deeply unpopular decision and did their bid to vaccinate all Americans no favours.

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Because any transmission is not ideal, particularly given the situation with delta. Because in a pandemic, a precautionary approach is best whilst we gather more data and work out exactly how badly delta dents vaccine-induced protection.

Masks are an intervention with very little cost both economically and to the individual, it was a mistake to drop it in the first place.

The vaccine isn't actually approved though - it's still in trials til 2023.

Frankly, it's got nothing to do with you.

Also, it's vaccinated people who are currently spreading the virus - have a think about that for a while!

@leafyygreens The flip-flopping on masks
does prove my point that nothing is certain at the moment. This has always been confusing, particularly when you see countries and states making completely different decisions on vaccinating children/different age limits for different vaccines etc.

My brothers gone like this. Honestly we just ignore/make fun of him. We are all double vaccinated and frankly I think he-and a lot of these other anti vaxers are just attention seeking, and when they want to go on holiday to a country that requires it, or get a new job and it’s part of the contract will quietly get it done and claim they had special dispensation.

@crimeismymiddlename I've also had a lot of people say to me "I bet you'll take it to go on holiday". So yes, I'm going to wait and see what happens, but if they say I cannot leave the country or go to concerts etc because I've not had the vaccine, then yes I will be forced to have it. Do I want it? No. However, I cannot not live my life. We're basically having our choice taken away from us

@Crimeismymiddlename

My brothers gone like this. Honestly we just ignore/make fun of him. We are all double vaccinated and frankly I think he-and a lot of these other anti vaxers are just attention seeking, and when they want to go on holiday to a country that requires it, or get a new job and it’s part of the contract will quietly get it done and claim they had special dispensation.

So your brother has refused all vaccines has he hence he is ant vaxx or just refusing one vaccine so he is anti covid vaccine

[quote Spotthedog91]@crimeismymiddlename I've also had a lot of people say to me "I bet you'll take it to go on holiday". So yes, I'm going to wait and see what happens, but if they say I cannot leave the country or go to concerts etc because I've not had the vaccine, then yes I will be forced to have it. Do I want it? No. However, I cannot not live my life. We're basically having our choice taken away from us[/quote]
There's always been countries and parts of the world you can't travel to without vaccines.

Oh please stop with the ‘you need the yellow fever vaccine to travel to some countries’ argument. It’s a completely different disease with a much higher fatality rate, very few countries require it and people in those countries do not need to produce their yellow fever certification to eat out or go to public places!

Nothing. You do nothing.

I think it is kind of telling that you are not concerned at all that your relative could end up severely ill with Covid.

@Spotthedog91 From my perspective, the coercion to get vaccinated in order to travel or go to events/restaurants is actually what's making me most determined not to get vaccinated.
If I feel my health is at risk then I will change my mind, but currently I am most angry about the government enforcing these rules, in a bid to pressure young people, who are at no risk of Covid, to get it so they can live their lives. It's absolutely horrific.

@bumbleymummy

Oh please stop with the ‘you need the yellow fever vaccine to travel to some countries’ argument. It’s a completely different disease with a much higher fatality rate, very few countries require it and people in those countries do not need to produce their yellow fever certification to eat out or go to public places!

I agree. Its not comparable. I've travelled to a few countries that said they required various vaccines, which I did have, but nobody within those countries or at the borders ever asked me if I'd had the vaccines, or asked me to show proof. I could have travelled all over vaccine-free if I'd wished.

Your sibling not being vaccinated does not put your parents at risk?
I assume you are vaccinated - you are still able to contract and pass on coronavirus. The vaccine doesnt make you less likely to be a carrier, it makes you less likely to contract serious symptoms and helps your immune system fight it off better. Your sibling is not putting your parents at any more risk then you are, just means they may feel its effects more should he get coronavirus.

If you dont agree with him not getting it thats a different story, but using your parents as a reason to be angry is factually wrong

[quote blue12345]@Spotthedog91 From my perspective, the coercion to get vaccinated in order to travel or go to events/restaurants is actually what's making me most determined not to get vaccinated.
If I feel my health is at risk then I will change my mind, but currently I am most angry about the government enforcing these rules, in a bid to pressure young people, who are at no risk of Covid, to get it so they can live their lives. It's absolutely horrific. [/quote]
i agree. The foundation of democracy is coming into question as soon as somehting is mandated - that is then a dictatorship.

@Bexxe

Your sibling not being vaccinated does not put your parents at risk? I assume you are vaccinated - you are still able to contract and pass on coronavirus. The vaccine doesnt make you less likely to be a carrier, it makes you less likely to contract serious symptoms and helps your immune system fight it off better. Your sibling is not putting your parents at any more risk then you are, just means they may feel its effects more should he get coronavirus.

If you dont agree with him not getting it thats a different story, but using your parents as a reason to be angry is factually wrong

Again, this is incorrect. By all means don't take the vax. But enough with this endless misinformation. The vaccine makes you far less likely to be a carrier.

Once again I am personally in favour of choice
But the repeated ignorance on this thread of the fact that vaccines reduce transmission is staggering

Or rather far less likely to be infected, and therefore far less likely to pass it on! This has been established. Why do ppl go repeating this?

Yes, people can't seem to grasp that a less than 100% effective vaccine is still very effective. All or nothing.

Mare
I think its both as vaccines reduce viral load?
But the lack of grasping this fact really worries me
I really am in favour of choice , plenty of people have physical and mental healthy issues that would influence their choice, but it seems thar people are oblivious to the fact that they can help others??

I must admit that I have not gone into the new CDC findings, which may change things a bit, but afaik this is where we are now. The vaccines make you less likely to pass it on. Now with Delta the debate is how much less likely, I guess?