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What do you do if a family member is an anti-vaxxer?

379 replies

BrutusMcDogface · 01/08/2021 15:17

I’m so angry with my sibling for putting my parents at risk. So very, very angry.

WWYD? Avoid him? Avoid them?!

Can’t believe he’s being so selfish!

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bumbleymummy · 03/08/2021 11:44

The vaccine is very good at reducing serious illness in the people who have had it. That used to be enough.

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SaltySheepdog · 03/08/2021 11:58

If your parents are vaccinated I can’t see what the issue is

Bexxe · 03/08/2021 12:08

So 2 people have commented bak with links containing 2 different % of how effective the vaccine is at helping to not carry the virus.

I rest my case.

riveted1 · 03/08/2021 12:10

@sleepwouldbenice

Mare I think its both as vaccines reduce viral load? But the lack of grasping this fact really worries me I really am in favour of choice , plenty of people have physical and mental healthy issues that would influence their choice, but it seems thar people are oblivious to the fact that they can help others??
Yes. It's been explained enough times that it's starting to feel people are deliberately ignoring this fact rather than misunderstanding.

You are far less likely to be infected with COVID if you're vaccinated, you cannot pass it on if you don't have it.

The CDC report demonstrates that transmission is reduced in those vaccinated, but with wide CI hence the lack of statistical significance. Scientists have explained this is far from conclusive - the study is underpowered - and we therefore we need more work to understand the impact of delta on transmission in those vaccinated.

riveted1 · 03/08/2021 12:12

@bumbleymummy

The vaccine is very good at reducing serious illness in the people who have had it. That used to be enough.
Enough for what?

Posters keep using the untrue statement that there's no difference in transmission between vaccinated and unvaccinated as an argument to not get vaccinated.

Ladypink35 · 03/08/2021 12:13

Oh for god sake is this the type of world we are going to be living in

Ladypink35 · 03/08/2021 12:14

OP life is too bloody short. Dont fall out with your family member over this.

riveted1 · 03/08/2021 12:16

@Bexxe

So 2 people have commented bak with links containing 2 different % of how effective the vaccine is at helping to not carry the virus.

I rest my case.

What case are you resting @Bexxe?

There's always going to be a huge amount of heterogeneity in how effective vaccines are in different populations. Different proportions of variants, case numbers, proportion of those vaxxed, proportions of those with previous infection. Differences in demographics like age, genetics and lifestyle factors.

This isn't surprising.

sourdoughnut · 03/08/2021 12:22

Both DM and Dsis are anti-vax. I am very worried for my mum who is 72, but I believe in autonomy and the right to choose and I respect their decision. The majority will be vaccinated, and so rightly or wrongly, those who choose not to be will in some ways be protected by those who are.

If my DM and Dsis were total dickheads then I'd see it as a good reason to cut contact. However, we're very close, and I won't let this come between us, as the affect on my mental health would be far too great.

bumbleymummy · 03/08/2021 12:30

you cannot pass it on if you don't have it.

Yep. The same applies to unvaccinated people but they’re still being treated like they have the plague.

@riveted1 I actually think people are using it more as an argument against vaccine passports. Which is perfectly logical. Vaccine passports are a terrible idea for a number of reasons and now the science doesn’t even back them up. And the finding was that there was no significant difference in transmission between infected vaccinated people and infected unvaccinated people.

riveted1 · 03/08/2021 12:41

@bumbleymummy

you cannot pass it on if you don't have it.

Yep. The same applies to unvaccinated people but they’re still being treated like they have the plague.

@riveted1 I actually think people are using it more as an argument against vaccine passports. Which is perfectly logical. Vaccine passports are a terrible idea for a number of reasons and now the science doesn’t even back them up. And the finding was that there was no significant difference in transmission between infected vaccinated people and infected unvaccinated people.

Well no, just a quick scroll on this thread demonstrates it's being used an argument to not be vaccinated. This isn't specifically a discussion about vaccine passports.

And the finding was that there was no significant difference in transmission between infected vaccinated people and infected unvaccinated people.
Well yes, I have stated this, maybe at least 5 times, on this thread alone.

bumbleymummy · 03/08/2021 12:58

Maybe a few people are using it that way on this thread but certainly, across many threads on the board, it’s more about why people should be exempt from testing/isolation if they are still able to carry and transmit the virus.

sleepwouldbenice · 03/08/2021 13:00

@bumbleymummy

The vaccine is very good at reducing serious illness in the people who have had it. That used to be enough.
You just don't like the fact that it does more than that. You always argue against testing if you are unvaccinated.
MareofBeasttown · 03/08/2021 13:04

@bumbleymummy

Maybe a few people are using it that way on this thread but certainly, across many threads on the board, it’s more about why people should be exempt from testing/isolation if they are still able to carry and transmit the virus.
Across MN, people are saying that the vaccine does not reduce transmission and using it as a reason to not get vaxxed. I have reported Bexxe's thread and it has been deleted. Perhaps that is OTT, but I am sick of anti-vax misinformation.
sleepwouldbenice · 03/08/2021 13:04

@SaltySheepdog

If your parents are vaccinated I can’t see what the issue is
Once again this ...? Vaccination reduces transmission ...
bumbleymummy · 03/08/2021 13:09

You just don't like the fact that it does more than that. You always argue against testing if you are unvaccinated.

What? I’ve argued for testing everyone regardless of vaccine status. Confused

riveted1 · 03/08/2021 13:10

Across MN, people are saying that the vaccine does not reduce transmission and using it as a reason to not get vaxxed. I have reported Bexxe's thread and it has been deleted. Perhaps that is OTT, but I am sick of anti-vax misinformation.

Yes @MareofBeasttown it's just floods of misinformation either about vaccines not working or not being safe. Decline it if you want to but no need to justify it with reams of crap that will confuse others.

riveted1 · 03/08/2021 13:11

@bumbleymummy

You just don't like the fact that it does more than that. You always argue against testing if you are unvaccinated.

What? I’ve argued for testing everyone regardless of vaccine status. Confused

To be frank it's hard to keep up with the number of claims made about reasons to not get vaccinated
bumbleymummy · 03/08/2021 13:12

@sleepwouldbenice so? I think her point is that if the parents are vaccinated, their risk of severe illness is reduced. So even if they are exposed to the virus, either from an unvaccinated adult, child, immunocompromised person who can’t have the vaccine, vaccinated person who is still carrying and transmitting the virus etc, the risk of them becoming ill is much lower.

Dreamstate · 03/08/2021 13:18

Funny, how I've asked a few posters who use the term anti vaxx to clarify if their family member is truly anti vaxx or just anti covid vaccine. Since none have come back to me it's only to assume then they mean ant covid vaccine.

Funny how media pushed calling anyone who refuses the covid vaccine an anti vaxxer. It might be true for a small % but the majority are just anti covid vaccine. And people wonder why some call then sheep...just bleating the narrative pushed in the media and here on this thread is the perfect example.

Unless the person your referring to refuses all vaccines they are NOT ANTI VAXX! stop peddling the media narrative to label everyone anti vaxxers

sleepwouldbenice · 03/08/2021 14:02

@bumbleymummy

You just don't like the fact that it does more than that. You always argue against testing if you are unvaccinated.

What? I’ve argued for testing everyone regardless of vaccine status. Confused

Exactly. Ignoring your increased risk of transmission Even if they proportioned the testing according to risk you wouldn't accept it You repeatedly post that vaccinated pass on the virus without putting the context
sleepwouldbenice · 03/08/2021 14:04

[quote bumbleymummy]@sleepwouldbenice so? I think her point is that if the parents are vaccinated, their risk of severe illness is reduced. So even if they are exposed to the virus, either from an unvaccinated adult, child, immunocompromised person who can’t have the vaccine, vaccinated person who is still carrying and transmitting the virus etc, the risk of them becoming ill is much lower.[/quote]
Yes we all know that
But the risk of them getting it in the first place would be lower if the relative got vaccinated....