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What do you do if a family member is an anti-vaxxer?

379 replies

BrutusMcDogface · 01/08/2021 15:17

I’m so angry with my sibling for putting my parents at risk. So very, very angry.

WWYD? Avoid him? Avoid them?!

Can’t believe he’s being so selfish!

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GrassIsRiz · 07/08/2021 16:29

Much clearer, @leafyygreens. I really didn't know which of these you were saying. In that case, we agree on that.

GrassIsRiz · 07/08/2021 16:32

To clarify further, @leafyygreens, I think by far the best reason to get vaccinated is for personal risk, because that's where the strongest evidence lies.

bumbleymummy · 07/08/2021 18:44

Uhuh, I have read the CDC manuscript.

The article is referring to research from PHE, not the cdc research from last week.

TheTallOakTrees · 07/08/2021 19:08

58 year old anti vaxxer died of covid in Bournemouth. Daughter said he was obsessed with YouTube videos about the 'experimental vaccine' so wouldn't have it. Leaves 2 adult children and an 11 year old son. His wife also seriously ill age 56 but recovering also no vaccine.
What a waste

TheTallOakTrees · 07/08/2021 19:14

Bbc news

Leslie lawrenson aged 58 for the people that will say its invented by the bbc

ilikecheesecake · 07/08/2021 19:37

I'm double jabbed, partner isn't. I couldn't give a shit who is jabbed and who isn't. if your parents are jabbed what's the issue it's suppose to protect them isn't it? tbh if I was your brother I wouldn't want anything to do with you if you can just cut people off for something like that.

ilikecheesecake · 07/08/2021 19:40

@TheTallOakTrees

58 year old anti vaxxer died of covid in Bournemouth. Daughter said he was obsessed with YouTube videos about the 'experimental vaccine' so wouldn't have it. Leaves 2 adult children and an 11 year old son. His wife also seriously ill age 56 but recovering also no vaccine. What a waste
There's probably people who are double jabbed who are dying too but they won't talk about them on the news will they? this person having both jabs might not have made any difference.
bumbleymummy · 07/08/2021 20:58

“This means that whilst vaccination may reduce an individual’s overall risk of becoming infected, once they are infected there is limited difference in viral load (and Ct values) between those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated. Given they have similar Ct values, this suggests limited difference in infectiousness”

Similar findings to cdc by PHE.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

tightsonatrain · 07/08/2021 21:10

[quote bumbleymummy]“This means that whilst vaccination may reduce an individual’s overall risk of becoming infected, once they are infected there is limited difference in viral load (and Ct values) between those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated. Given they have similar Ct values, this suggests limited difference in infectiousness”

Similar findings to cdc by PHE.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf[/quote]
Nice to see you carefully omit the key detail here, as has been done for the CDC report.

Vaccinated people were less likely to be infected than unvaccinated. This means there is a reduction in transmission, beyond that of viral load once someone is infected.

bumbleymummy · 07/08/2021 21:13

Ahem

This means that whilst vaccination may reduce an individual’s overall risk of becoming infected …

It’s literally the first line of the quote. I haven’t omitted anything Hmm.

Anon778833 · 11/08/2021 13:33

Cult like behaviour is a good way to describe it ☹️

Xenia · 11/08/2021 15:41

bumbley did not miss that bit out.

I am quite relaxed about it. I have put my son's second jab on the calendar yesterday so he doesn't forget it. Half the family is done and half choosing not to be so far. I want everyone to take their own decisions. I am just biding my time. I might have it in a year or two or might not. If I die of covid that's fine and I accept the risk and a risk the NHS might not treat me either. My unvaccinated adult child who had covid recently has a similar view.

MrsLCSofLichfield · 11/08/2021 15:45

OP, just ignore him forever. It's what I would do and is the only British way.

Xenia · 11/08/2021 22:31

By the way my son just told me his friend had his second jab and had a very very rare reaction where the throat swells up when he set off to drive home and the NHS sent him as an emergency case to hospital as if you stop breathing that's pretty bad. However that is very very unusual and not enough to put anyone off in my view. Their other friend was ill for 2 days and a third one was jabbed so badly he had blood running down his arm. Hopefully it will instead be very simple for my son tomorrow as he has to drive home and then work all day.

HunkyPunk · 11/08/2021 22:42

To answer the question, I'd butt out and leave them to make the decision they feel is best for them, just as everyone else should. I've had the vaccines, but defend the right of others not to. Not a great fan of coercion.

HalzTangz · 11/08/2021 23:12

@BrutusMcDogface

I’m so angry with my sibling for putting my parents at risk. So very, very angry.

WWYD? Avoid him? Avoid them?!

Can’t believe he’s being so selfish!

Resect their decision not to be jabbed but ask them to respect your decision to be jabbed, then agree never to talk vaccines again
HalzTangz · 11/08/2021 23:14

@BrutusMcDogface

Thanks for the replies!

Yes, it’s his choice but he is putting his nearest and dearest at risk, isn’t he? I will 100% be avoiding him, and therefore won’t be seeing my parents on Sundays anymore.

He's no more putting them at risk than you are. Vaccinated people can still catch and spread covid
Coyoacan · 11/08/2021 23:17

If we can't be selfish about our own health, when can we be. I get that the vaccines have been a huge disappointment and aren't giving us the protection we had hoped for but why take this out anger against your sibling?

Makinganewthinghappen · 12/08/2021 08:32

My BIL is antivax tbh I don’t care what he does it’s his choice.

What I am upset about is that he has convinced MIL that she shouldn’t get the vaccine. She is in her 80s with pre exsisting breathing problems , she has already had a heart attack. Even if she gets a cold it is serious for her because it worsens her breathing. I can’t imagine in what world she is better of not being vaccinated.

They both meet up regularly and go out etc so I feel like it’s only a matter of time before she gets it and it is likely to be very serious for her.

Anon778833 · 12/08/2021 09:14

@Coyoacan

If we can't be selfish about our own health, when can we be. I get that the vaccines have been a huge disappointment and aren't giving us the protection we had hoped for but why take this out anger against your sibling?
Umm, it's probably the vaccination programme which has enabled us not to be in lockdown any more.
Coyoacan · 12/08/2021 16:57

Umm, it's probably the vaccination programme which has enabled us not to be in lockdown any more

Hopefully it is, but why all the anger against the unvaccinated? I'm vaccinated and continue with social distancing and facemasks, but my only concerned re. my unvaccinated acquaintainces, is that they should get a bad dose of covid

Anon778833 · 12/08/2021 17:31

Hopefully it is, but why all the anger against the unvaccinated? I'm vaccinated and continue with social distancing and facemasks, but my only concerned re. my unvaccinated acquaintainces, is that they should get a bad dose of covid

Because vaccination works by reducing the overall transmission rate of a disease and it works at population level. Surely you know this by now?

If only a few people got vaccinated there would still be a lot of people getting sick and a lot of people in hospital.

Coyoacan · 13/08/2021 12:56

Because vaccination works by reducing the overall transmission rate of a disease and it works at population level

I still don't think people should be forced to put a substance in their bodies that they are unsure about.

In 2009, a lot of children ended up with narcolepsy thanks to the vaccine they were given. And that is not an argument against vaccination, I'm vaccinated as is my dd, but it is still a fact.

Anon778833 · 14/08/2021 06:56

Nobody should be forced to do anything. But this situation with Covid is unique in that nobody has any natural resistance to it so without quarantines or vaccinations it will burn through the population, causing hospitals to be overwhelmed and people to die.

Anon778833 · 14/08/2021 06:58

If you're unvaccinated for a good reason, fair enough. Otherwise, I can understand people being frustrated with someone who flatly refuses because if everyone had their attitude we'd still be back at square 1