Only 300 people under 40 have died. Source for all UK Covid-19 deaths broken down by age - where to find?

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I heard from a senior contact in industry, who knows some of the most prominent figureheads for the pandemic response in the UK, that to date, less than 300 people aged under 40 have died since the start of the pandemic.

Other countries have very transparent data on this where deaths are broken down in small age brackets and by absolute numbers (not as a % of the total number of deaths or % of population). Is there something similar here? If not, why not?

Thanks for the reminder that it was incredibly unlucky and rare that my relative died.

OP- you've been asking for (and giving) figures on MN for a while, so whilst your questions may be genuine, please don't treat your fellow MNers like thick schmucks who can't AS you to see if there's an agenda.
Also to be noted you are thanking the people who agree with your interpretation of said figures, yet not others who have provided you with exactly the same figures, and in some cases, exactly the same links.

Pleased nobody fell for your "but Sweden" attempt at shoehorning though.

Of course it matters how old someone is when they die.

Younger people lose more -- they have more years of life lost. They have more to lose.

LC is relatively rare in under 40s. Long covid is more common the older a person is when infected. It will take a while to figure out how many years of poor health arose on average in any person relative to their age group. Probably there is more chance of severe LC or any long covid when an infected person is relatively older.

I'm happy that this pandemic relatively spared the young -- from both death & LC. Very different from so many other infectious diseases.

Whatever the current figures are a % of the total as not everyone under 40 has had covid or a vax.
As under 16 are not currently offered a vax then you could times those deaths by 4 or 5.
This will also impact on the likelihood of parents and grandparents getting seriously ill for those for whom the vax fails

@Geamhradh

OP- you've been asking for (and giving) figures on MN for a while, so whilst your questions may be genuine, please don't treat your fellow MNers like thick schmucks who can't AS you to see if there's an agenda. Also to be noted you are thanking the people who agree with your interpretation of said figures, yet not others who have provided you with exactly the same figures, and in some cases, exactly the same links.

Pleased nobody fell for your "but Sweden" attempt at shoehorning though.

I have no agenda but I have clear views, yes. I've thanked people who have communicated in a respectful manner. Since you have been looking up other comments I've made, you should know that I am not someone who treats others disrespectfully or using sarcasm to deflect things.

I believe in vaccines, I believe that Covid is a terrible disease and that lockdown, in the UK at least, was necessary to keep NHS working but I also feel that too many people around me are terrified still, without perhaps needing to be. I also believe that we can't go for elimination of this and that once we're vaccinated, we are now in a completely different situation.

I wanted data on the age bands and great to have been given the info but I've not singled out or thanked those who were unkind. Sorry.

Saying 'well they had underlying conditions' minimises this disease, minimises the tragedy of their deaths and is callous towards the millions of people who also have underlying conditions

Neatly put. I've heard and read SO many people implying that it's okay because only/mainly people with underlying conditions have died.

Neatly put. I've heard and read SO many people implying that it's okay because only/mainly people with underlying conditions have died.

I don’t think anyone actually thinks it’s OK. What it does is reassure people with no underlying conditions that their risk is much lower. That’s not the same as thinking people with underlying health conditions dying from covid is Ok.

What I don’t understand is why people seem to think deaths by vaccine reaction (anaphylaxis, strokes, clots etc) are acceptable. These seem to be predominantly young and usually perfectly healthy individuals.

If risk of death from covid in a young person is less than risk of death from the vaccine then it makes no sense for them to have the vaccine.

@BackforGood

I know of a young man of 39 who died of COVID.

I don't think his wife, his 2 children, his sisters, his Mum, his friends are really that bothered if he was one of 300 or one of thousands or the only one. He has left a huge hole in the lives of so many.

Sad as this is, we shouldn’t make policy based on outliers. We know who is vulnerable and who isn’t and it’s beyond time to stop acting like everyone is equally vulnerable.

There are still people shocked to hear that the average age of COVID death is 80+

@FiveToedSloth

Neatly put. I've heard and read SO many people implying that it's okay because only/mainly people with underlying conditions have died.

I don’t think anyone actually thinks it’s OK. What it does is reassure people with no underlying conditions that their risk is much lower. That’s not the same as thinking people with underlying health conditions dying from covid is Ok.

What I don’t understand is why people seem to think deaths by vaccine reaction (anaphylaxis, strokes, clots etc) are acceptable. These seem to be predominantly young and usually perfectly healthy individuals.

If risk of death from covid in a young person is less than risk of death from the vaccine then it makes no sense for them to have the vaccine.

This

Well, that would be true if it was also true that there is more risk to young people from the vaccine.
But as it's not, and has been stated time and again that it's not, it's a straw man argument.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales

This is an interesting report from the first wave that breaks down covid-19 deaths by pre-existing conditions (it’s a very long list). Seems influenza/pneumonia comes in quite high on the list for all age groups.

I don’t think responses that seem to rely on a mindset of ‘it’s okay if you haven’t got an underlying condition’ really take into account exactly what counts as an underlying condition.

@FiveToedSloth I can only give my opinion but I suspect that it depends on what you think vaccinations achieve.

If you think a covid vaccinations only benefit is against illness then I agree with you that the risk/benefit doesn’t stack up for the younger age groups.

I think vaccinations also impact the spread of covid and hospital admissions and as a consequence minimise the impacts on wider society. Vaccinations will (hopefully) continue to do the work of lockdowns and restrictions and allow society to operate. That’s where the benefits to the younger age group lie rather than a direct protection against covid; they’re part of protecting their own societal freedoms. Considering the wider effects of the last eighteen months, for me, the risk/benefit works out in favour of vaccinations.

"What I don’t understand is why people seem to think deaths by vaccine reaction (anaphylaxis, strokes, clots etc) are acceptable. These seem to be predominantly young and usually perfectly healthy individuals."

4 people have died from the vaccine in the UK. That's out of almost 47 million first doses and almost 38 million second doses.
Meanwhile 129,515 have died of Covid within 28 days, or 147,980 if you count within 60 days (which we should as people can survive for a longer time with treatment and ventilation)

Of course that's terrible for everyone who knew those four people (it's even less likely now that everyone knows to look out for signs of the specific clots that could happen). But that's why it's not reported much in comparison, because it is an incredibly tiny number among so many who didn't have the vaccine.

@Cornettoninja

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales

This is an interesting report from the first wave that breaks down covid-19 deaths by pre-existing conditions (it’s a very long list). Seems influenza/pneumonia comes in quite high on the list for all age groups.

I don’t think responses that seem to rely on a mindset of ‘it’s okay if you haven’t got an underlying condition’ really take into account exactly what counts as an underlying condition.

Thank you, that's very long and interesting list. who knew people STILL suffered from late syphilis in this day!! On a more personal note I'm very pleased and grateful to see that I have none of those ailments in the list

duffeldaisy

Four people??

The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.

These figures add to 1,490, not 4!

Source:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

[quote FiveToedSloth]duffeldaisy

Four people??

The MHRA has received 460 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 999 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, seven for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 24 where the brand of vaccine was unspecified.

These figures add to 1,490, not 4!

Source:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting[/quote]
You have missed off the rest of that paragraph -

"The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness. Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

PatriciaHolm
And you could say exactly the same of deaths within 28 days of a positive covid test, no?

And to add, I have read of three women in their 40s who died of blood clots in their brains caused by the vaccines and I know (through a hobby) one lady also in her 40s who died within a week of being vaccinated who had no known health issues. I know of one elderly lady who passed away the week after hers. She was in a care home but was only 70-something. Already we are at more than 4.

@Cornettoninja I shared similar before and J was accessed of scaremongering.
Some of those diseases do sound serious but others could be pretty innocuous.
After pneumonia could be a by product of COVID.
Also diseases of the urinary system. Well that could be anything really.
The lower respiratory disease could also be a fairly mild too.
Bearing in mind most people over 50 have at least one pre existing condition but are not on their death bed. I have very mild asthma but never had a full blown attack abd two other mild conditions.

I was accussed of scaremongering.

@FiveToedSloth

And to add, I have read of three women in their 40s who died of blood clots in their brains caused by the vaccines and I know (through a hobby) one lady also in her 40s who died within a week of being vaccinated who had no known health issues. I know of one elderly lady who passed away the week after hers. She was in a care home but was only 70-something. Already we are at more than 4.

You can't have. You may have read of three women who died of blood clots which MAY have been caused by the vaccine. Unless you have a link which confirms the cause has been categorically stated as having been due to the vaccine?

Go to the ICNARC website they have spread sheets of all ICU number available.
((file:///C:/Users/chris/AppData/Local/Temp/ICNARCCOVID-19Report_2021-07-05.pdf.pdf))

They published a huge report in 6/7/21

It's an epidemic.
The under 40 might have a low risk of dying, but as they are not isolated from older people, if they don't take measures the virus will increase in older population too.
Letting the virus infect many people produces variants. It's only a matter of time before variants escape the vaccine.
I don't understand why so many people think their personal risk of dying changes what they should be doing.
Covid is a problem for all society. I can't help thinking our response to it shows we are useless at dealing with problems that require collaboration. So we are fucked about climate change.
Luckily I don't have to do anything about it because I don't live in an area prone to climate disasters.

Letting the virus infect many people produces variants. It's only a matter of time before variants escape the vaccine

This is very unlikely to be true. There are some very interesting scientific analyses around why. There may be some partial escape, but highly unlikely to be significant escape.