Sajid Javid - arrogant, insensitive?

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SJ coming under fire from many for his tweet yesterday following his full recovery from his Covid-19 diagnosis. As Health Secretary he should have chosen his words more carefully and been more sensitive to those who lost loved ones, suffering long covid etc
Link to his tweet

twitter.com/sajidjavid/status/1418932718847541248

Link to Yvette Cooper Labour MP's retweet and response

twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/1419064768837599235

For all those saying "Boris didn't follow the science", SAGE were still advising not to lockdown just before the March 2020 one.

Boris (actually it was Cummings decision), is the one that locked down despite the scientific advice, not because of it.

In September SAGE had now embraced lockdowns, and were advising one. The problem was that it would have to be for the whole winter. If they knew a vaccine was coming, this would have been an easier decicion to make, but they didn't.

The UK and EU infection rates for July-December 2020 were pretty much identical.

Boris Johnson has denied making that remark

Boris Johnson is a proven liar, so forgive me for not holding his denial in particularly high esteem when what he allegedly said has been verified by more than one source and sounds exactly like the sort of callous remark he would make.

Suggesting that anyone should believe Boris's denial is desperate.

You specifically mentioned a number of deaths, therefore you must have some ballpark figure as to what doesn't count as "mismangement".

Do you think that the current figure is acceptable and doesn't represent mismanagement, starfro?

Boris Johnson is a proven liar, so forgive me for not holding his denial in particularly high esteem when what he allegedly said has been verified by more than one source

Any names?

@starfro

For all those saying "Boris didn't follow the science", SAGE were still advising not to lockdown just before the March 2020 one.

Boris (actually it was Cummings decision), is the one that locked down despite the scientific advice, not because of it.

In September SAGE had now embraced lockdowns, and were advising one. The problem was that it would have to be for the whole winter. If they knew a vaccine was coming, this would have been an easier decicion to make, but they didn't.

The UK and EU infection rates for July-December 2020 were pretty much identical.

By September, trials were taking place around the world with excellent results and facilities built to roll them out.

SAGE advised a week earlier, cases were doubling every 3 days, this caused a significant number of avoidable cases and hence deaths, some scientists have said 10,000 extradeaths but its an unknown.

Given what we saw in Italy/Spain and what we now know is johnsons scepticism in LD's, that delay is solely down to him.

Rather than compare ourselves with Slovakia etc, how about Germany or Japan

Fencing in migrant factory workers who tested positive and firing water cannons during Covid protests (Germany) - that sort of comparison?

You know the comparison i was making... on deaths but as usual, u twist to suit your pro tory agenda.

Oh Clav, do you believe Boris Johnson? Really?

On lockdown 1, that's not what Cummings said, and neither is it what I've told from my source.

@Clavinova

Boris Johnson is a proven liar, so forgive me for not holding his denial in particularly high esteem when what he allegedly said has been verified by more than one source

Any names?

Sacked twice for lying, lied to the Speaker, lied about Nicola Sturgeon and joining the euro, lied on child poverty - in the HoC no less.

Lied to different women he has cheated on too.

Numerous lies told on Covid & protecting the nation or even CH's, that we now know he didn't give a fuck about but only his immediate circle, though even thats questionable.

Problem is when your a proven liar, its difficult to be taken seriously, even if telling the truth.

@3asAbird

I still think taking Hancock out was an inside job to change policy at department of health.

I don't like javid at all don't trust him.
My local hospital is not coping.

hmmm yes it is all very strange

Covidforever
You know the comparison I was making...on deaths but as usual, u twist to suit your pro tory agenda.

You want us to be like Germany but not actually copy all of their Covid containment strategies? Jonathan Ashworth (Labour's shadow health secretary) wanted to know what lessons we had learned from Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea - which idea does he think we should implement first?

www.technologyreview.com/2021/01/05/1015734/singapore-contact-tracing-police-data-covid/

www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3870719

focustaiwan.tw/society/202003170020

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52681464

noblegiraffe
Oh Clav, do you believe Boris Johnson? Really?

You couldn't come up with a named source then?

in Clav we have found the last person in the country to believe anything Boris Johnson says.

@Clavinova Hilarious!

Singapore, Tawain etc aren't even on the same continent as Germany, your ability to divert and twist is quite extrodinary.

Maybe Germany having a 3 to 4 x as many beds, nurse doc's as the UK made slightly more difference.

Maybe Germany having a 3 to 4 x as many beds, nurse doc's as the UK made slightly more difference.

So you're suggesting that Tory underfunding of the NHS for the past decade caused problems during the pandemic?

@noblegiraffe

Maybe Germany having a 3 to 4 x as many beds, nurse doc's as the UK made slightly more difference.

So you're suggesting that Tory underfunding of the NHS for the past decade caused problems during the pandemic?

What an accusation! as if...... :)

Its the whole remit isn't it? health inequality, CH's, staff & ppe shortages, primary care, obesity levels..... the Tories have done absolutely nothing about any of this, indeed helped cause/make worse these issues.

Covidforever
Singapore, Tawain etc aren't even on the same continent as Germany

That doesn't stop the Labour Party 'name-dropping' these countries at every opportunity - (this time it's Vietnam instead of Singapore);

Jonathan Ashworth’s IPPR speech on preparing for pandemics -

They should have been resourced from the start to do case finding and the retrospective and forward contact tracing that hunts down and breaks onwards chains of infection, as happened successfully in South Korea, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Labour's plan is to track credit and debit card transactions, introduce smart national insurance cards with photo ID linked to travel history...
A bit worried about Jonathan Ashworth - is he modelling himself on Putin?

@Clavinova
How about just sticking to Germany and not seeking to divert?

Covidforever
How about just sticking to Germany

Perhaps:

March 2021
Two of Angela Merkel’s MPs resign in Covid face mask scandal.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/angela-merkel-cdu-face-mask-scandal-b1814018.html

June 2021
German health minister facing calls to resign over mask furore.
Jens Spahn’s ministry is accused of planning to distribute substandard Covid masks to vulnerable people.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/09/german-health-minister-jens-spahn-calls-resign-covid-face-mask-furore

It’s no surprise with that lot in “charge” as the comedy act continues with our world beating live herd immunity survival of the fittest experiment with more lives and livelihoods lost. We are not Covid world beating per capita bad for no reason given the acceptability of having crafting our own let it rip Kent and now Alexander Johnson variants just to ensure we lose the vaccination race and give the mutating variants more breathing space to do its best without need for personal safety risk mitigation measures. Following anything but science nor expectations of any sense from insensitive clueless Covidiots. If only we can import the super able and sensible New Zealand leader or similar and not Covid.

If only we can import the super able and sensible New Zealand leader or similar and not Covid.

Not totally sure the Labour Party would agree with you:

Ardern tells New Zealand border staff: get Covid vaccine now or be redeployed.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/12/ardern-new-zealand-border-staff-covid-vaccine

New Zealand to cut ‘low-skill’ immigration and refocus on wealthy.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/17/new-zealand-to-cut-low-skill-immigration-and-refocus-on-wealthy

Maybe Germany having a 3 to 4 x as many beds, nurse doc's as the UK made slightly more difference

Absolutely. Can we please reform the NHS then and move away from our current system to a part privatised insurance based system..... oh wait..... no-one wants to do that either. Hmph.

@Clavinova

what's that got anything to do with death rates?

Good to see the MPs had to resign, unlike the UK where they'd be promoted by Johnson.

Your 2nd article has a useful graph showing the hardest hit countries in Europe.... funny that the UK is among the hardest hit.....

At Germany is trying to issue FFP2 masks, unlike the UK which is saying we don't need them.

@BigWoollyJumpers

Maybe Germany having a 3 to 4 x as many beds, nurse doc's as the UK made slightly more difference

Absolutely. Can we please reform the NHS then and move away from our current system to a part privatised insurance based system..... oh wait..... no-one wants to do that either. Hmph.

Countries with part insurance based systems, still have funded their healthcare systems far more than we have over the last 30 plus years.

Year on year, we fund the nhs less than the EU/EEC average and charge HCPs to train...

We need to remove some glaring shortfalls in the NHS first, then look at how we pay for it - not the other way round, that will just continue the crisis as we stand around talking.

Good to see the MPs had to resign, unlike the UK where they'd be promoted by Johnson.

The German MPS personally profited from various government deals to secure coronavirus face masks.

Your 2nd article has a useful graph showing the hardest hit countries in Europe.

Not that useful -

Note: JHU collates this data from multiple sources whose methodologies may differ from each other. In addition, many of the sources have changed their reporting practices since the beginning of the pandemic or made revisions to their data.

Do you think that MPs profiting from government deals is a bad thing, Clav? Do you think that they shouldn't hand out contracts to mates?