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Number crunching - is this true?

38 replies

Jocasta2018 · 20/07/2021 07:16

According to www.coronavirus.data.gov.uk these figures are for the 7 days leading up to 19th July 2021.

Tests - both LFT & PCR - 7,196,324

Positive cases - 322,170 (4.47%)

Hospital admissions - 4,317 (0.06%)

Deaths - 296 (0.004%)

This is a government website - does anyone know if these figures are correct or am I just clutching at straws..?

If these figures are true then no wonder we have 'a lot of cases' - you do 7 million tests, you'll find a lot of positives!

This is mind-blowing stuff. Fingers crossed these are correct & I'm not just imagining things after a shitty heatwave night sleep...

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roses2 · 20/07/2021 09:13

I saw this posted on linkedin yesterday. Look at the numbers - lockdown needs to end and the vaccines are working:

Lots of media hysteria around 50,000 positive tests today. Some context for you:

Source data: lnkd.in/drQqQpd

  1. First thing to note is that there weren't 50,000 positive tests today: what's reported covers a spread of dates. Note also "positive tests". A "case" is something altogether different clinically
  1. The last time there were 50,000 positive tests by specimen date, on January 11th, there were 1129 deaths reported
  1. The mean average number of deaths for each day when cases exceeded 50,000 (10 of them) was 845
  1. Latest data for 14th July reports 44,000 cases and 22 deaths - this will change a little over the coming days.
  1. 22 deaths isn't far off the average number of suicides per day (2019 figures, we can only pray lockdowns haven't made that worse). The difference of course is that the average age of a suicide victim isn't 82. You won't hear about those on the BBC (or other media outlets)
  1. Around 20 times that number will have died of cancer today, but you won't hear that on the BBC either

The link between cases and deaths is truly broken. We need to stop testing and stop reporting cases. They are a total irrelevance and doing nothing more than fuel the hysteria

Wtfdoipick · 20/07/2021 09:23

@NakedAttraction

I reckon I probably get round to reporting 1 in 3 of my LFTs.
I'm probably the same however if it will help lower the positivity rate I'll make sure I report them all.

We do need to test however I do agree that the daily reporting needs to stop. Things are completely out of perspective now, our number of excess deaths over the period is falling

ILookAtTheFloor · 20/07/2021 09:38

I read a piece today in the Telegraph that said the positivity rate for the UK was 3.1%, I'm assuming that's all tests?

Because I thought it was 9.2% yesterday.

I didn't realise it was as low with LFTs.

ILookAtTheFloor · 20/07/2021 09:39

In reference to reporting neg LFTs, I report multiple times a day on the ZOE app hoping that it'll bring down my local numbers 😂 yes I know it won't work but I still try!

4forkssake · 20/07/2021 09:40

@Lostinacloud

Casedemic! For at least 4 weeks now the doom reporting has been ramping up again about delta cases and yet where are the rising hospitalisations and deaths? Daily cases are less than half of the 100,000 per day peddled by Sage and the “lag” has passed. Cases don’t matter, further vaccine push isn’t required and every restriction can go!
Amen
HarveySchlumpfenburger · 20/07/2021 09:48

It doesn’t help lower the positivity rate.

The latest data for 14th of July conveniently misses the data for 15th of July which shows 54,000 cases by specimen date (58,000 if you include the whole of the U.K. not just England.) and bacuse of the testing lag that data isn’t complete yet.

That does sort of make point number 1 true, but not in the way the author thinks it is true. That’s possibly going to translate into just under 3k hospital admissions a day by the end of next week.

Bovrilly · 20/07/2021 09:49

Daily cases are less than half of the 100,000 per day peddled by Sage

The Health Secretary predicted 100,000 cases a day, but after the removal of restrictions. It's only day 2 so far, so a bit early to dismiss that prediction I think.

"UK Covid cases may soar to 100,000 a day, Sajid Javid warns

Health secretary admits country will enter ‘uncharted territory’ after curbs are lifted

Previously Boris Johnson, prime minister, had said that daily cases could hit 50,000 on July 19, the date at which he hopes to lift almost all remaining restrictions, but Javid expects rates to rise sharply after lockdown measures end."

PaulaPetunia · 20/07/2021 09:50

Our household don't register the LFTs either.

shinynewapple21 · 20/07/2021 09:57

There will be a huge number of tests as it's not just people doing PCR because they have symptoms but the thousands of people who are LFT testing as a matter of course for their work, school or care visits .

Backofbeyond50 · 20/07/2021 17:38

4. Latest data for 14th July reports 44,000 cases and 22 deaths - this will change a little over the coming days.
Bit more than a little based on today

Number crunching - is this true?
lightattheendofthetunnel2021 · 20/07/2021 19:33

@roses2

I saw this posted on linkedin yesterday. Look at the numbers - lockdown needs to end and the vaccines are working:

Lots of media hysteria around 50,000 positive tests today. Some context for you:

Source data: lnkd.in/drQqQpd

  1. First thing to note is that there weren't 50,000 positive tests today: what's reported covers a spread of dates. Note also "positive tests". A "case" is something altogether different clinically
  1. The last time there were 50,000 positive tests by specimen date, on January 11th, there were 1129 deaths reported
  1. The mean average number of deaths for each day when cases exceeded 50,000 (10 of them) was 845
  1. Latest data for 14th July reports 44,000 cases and 22 deaths - this will change a little over the coming days.
  1. 22 deaths isn't far off the average number of suicides per day (2019 figures, we can only pray lockdowns haven't made that worse). The difference of course is that the average age of a suicide victim isn't 82. You won't hear about those on the BBC (or other media outlets)
  1. Around 20 times that number will have died of cancer today, but you won't hear that on the BBC either

The link between cases and deaths is truly broken. We need to stop testing and stop reporting cases. They are a total irrelevance and doing nothing more than fuel the hysteria

This! Could have written it myself, totally agree. Hysteria has skyrocketed more than anything else...
Backofbeyond50 · 20/07/2021 20:07

So you have also cherry picked a date either a low numbers of deaths. And no it hasn't changed a little. It has increased 4 fold in a week.
Yeah also remember that those cases from previous dates were not recorded previously so they still count as a case.
However the vaccine has really helped reduce the link between infection, hospitalisation and death.

Backofbeyond50 · 20/07/2021 20:09

Even last weeks average 44 deaths per day. Thankfully much lower than before but not as low as previous posters is making out.

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