Teens will not be routinely vaccinated, JCVI recommends

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Their report isn't out till tomorrow, but continuing with the govt tradition of making big announcements via favoured news outlets, the Telegraph reports that the guidance will be that children aged 12+ will not be offered routine covid vaccinations.

"Instead, under guidance due to be issued on Monday, jabs will be offered to children between 12 and 15 who are deemed vulnerable to Covid or who live with adults who are immunosuppressed or otherwise vulnerable to the virus. They will also now be offered to all 17-year-olds within three months of their 18th birthday."

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/17/children-will-get-covid-vaccines-vulnerable/

So from September, there will be literally nothing stopping covid spreading around schools bar the odd open window.

And in the meantime, my 17 year old will hit 18 and suddenly be discriminated against unless he is already fully vaccinated on his 18th birthday, despite not being permitted to present for vaccination until 3 months before his 18th birthday.

If any of the people on here who want vaccines for their 16/17 year olds are near West London, this was shared on another thread, picked up from Social Media. Sadly too far for us.

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St Mary’s, Hanwell (Greenford Ave) W7 vaccinating 16+ tomorrow, if any of you are local enough to trek to West London...

”You are not giving teenagers more freedom by denying them the right to ask for a vaccine”

”Why would you give children a medical intervention they don’t need (children who do, in fact, need it are covered under current policy)?”

That isn’t the case though is it? It’s just the line that’s been fed to the general public, when parents of vulnerable children know it’s not true. A very narrow group of vulnerable children, with specific conditions have been allowed to have the vaccine. Children with conditions they haven’t even thought of, like my ds, haven’t. By refusing them/their parents the choice to vaccinate them you aren’t giving them more freedom, you are removing their freedom. At the very least it should be able to be given at the discretion of medical professionals, who know their individual patients and their vulnerabilities far better than any government committe.

”Also, there are quite a number of vulnerable teenagers who do not yet have a vaccine, so even going to school is a challenge for them, let alone festivals”

”A teen vulnerable to COVID would also be vulnerable to flu and even the common cold. What was done in the past for them?”

My teen is vulnerable to flu - so he is vaccinated to protect him. Common colds make him ill for a prolonged period of time, but there is no vaccine. If there was, I assume he would get that too. We do as much as we can to keep him safe, especially during the winter virus season, but if he qualifies for the flu vaccination due to vulnerability, he should also have the choice to get the Covid jab.

In some ways we are lucky, as he is too sick to attend school, so at least we don’t have that exposure to deal with, as so many other children and their parents do. On the other hand… he is too sick to attend school/college, yet not ill enough - or ill in the right way - for the government to agree to protect him via vaccination. So maybe not so lucky after all.

Anyway. From the 6th of August in Italy entrance to museums, restaurants, cultural events, indoors recreation etc is only possible with a green pass which shows anyone over 12 has had vaccination or has a negative test in the last 48h. Not sure this applies to tourism. It would cut off any school trip or leisure trip of British families, unless one is happy to test every other day…

@cherin

Anyway. From the 6th of August in Italy entrance to museums, restaurants, cultural events, indoors recreation etc is only possible with a green pass which shows anyone over 12 has had vaccination or has a negative test in the last 48h. Not sure this applies to tourism. It would cut off any school trip or leisure trip of British families, unless one is happy to test every other day…

I've just been reading the draft legislation. It doesn't seem to specifically mention foreign tourists at the moment, but obviously anyone coming in from the UK currently has to isolate for 5 days anyway, with or without UK vaccine certificate. From reading the draft I'd imagine that as the EU green pass OR a negative PCR test will be needed for Italians to enter a restaurant (indoors) /museum etc, the same will apply to foreign tourists. The NHS cert will be accepted, otherwise, negative PCRs. The legislation is going to be tweaked over the next few days.

I think it will have to be tweaked a lot to make it anywhere near acceptable!

@Sometimesonly

I think it will have to be tweaked a lot to make it anywhere near acceptable!

I'm happy with it tbf. The sooner we get off this constant treadmill of waves/,restrictions/opening up because it's summer yet knowing full well the schools are going to pay the price again come the autumn, bring it on.

Oh I agree (and we've been vaccinated) but there is such a high number of people against it that I'm worried it will all backfire.

Interesting example camp in America.
None of the vaccinated 12plus caught the virus.
The under 12 non vaccinate kids did.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9816913/NY-ed-sleepaway-camp-says-31-campers-7-11-years-old-tested-positive-COVID-19.html

It looms like the JCVI are now saying the benefits of the AZ vaccine now outweight the risks for those in their 20s and 30s due to the high infection rates. I would expect a similar announcement of pfizer for teens in the coming months
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-why-the-risk-benefit-balance-of-astrazeneca-jab-for-young-people-looks-to-have-shifted-12362404

Moderna has just been approved here for over 12s too, so hopefully, they can speed up the schedule for teenagers now during the next month or so. DD booked on the 11/6 (first day her age group could) and has the jab on the 5/8.

@Geamhradh we booked as soon as we could for DS1, then logged in to the amend booking to try to get a better location and loads more slots had been released. The early bird does not catch the worm for vaccination!

I hope the people saying that teens will be eligible soon are right, but that would require significant back-tracking which the govt does not like to do. How can anybody can think it is appropriate to say that it is not in your interests to have the vaccine if you are 17, but if you are 18 it is your civic duty and you can't go to clubs, sporting events or holidays unless you are vaccinated?! There should at least be more more of a taper where they are eligible, but not coerced. But that would be far too sensible!

[quote Monkey2001]@Geamhradh we booked as soon as we could for DS1, then logged in to the amend booking to try to get a better location and loads more slots had been released. The early bird does not catch the worm for vaccination!

I hope the people saying that teens will be eligible soon are right, but that would require significant back-tracking which the govt does not like to do. How can anybody can think it is appropriate to say that it is not in your interests to have the vaccine if you are 17, but if you are 18 it is your civic duty and you can't go to clubs, sporting events or holidays unless you are vaccinated?! There should at least be more more of a taper where they are eligible, but not coerced. But that would be far too sensible![/quote]
True!
Same for us! Loads of dd's friends who booked later were given dates before her, and of course you can't amend. Hopefully now Moderna has also been given the go ahead there may be more open days.

@Geamhradh you can amend - www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/