Teens will not be routinely vaccinated, JCVI recommends

[noblegiraffe]

Their report isn't out till tomorrow, but continuing with the govt tradition of making big announcements via favoured news outlets, the Telegraph reports that the guidance will be that children aged 12+ will not be offered routine covid vaccinations.

"Instead, under guidance due to be issued on Monday, jabs will be offered to children between 12 and 15 who are deemed vulnerable to Covid or who live with adults who are immunosuppressed or otherwise vulnerable to the virus. They will also now be offered to all 17-year-olds within three months of their 18th birthday."

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/17/children-will-get-covid-vaccines-vulnerable/

So from September, there will be literally nothing stopping covid spreading around schools bar the odd open window.

Why on earth would a parent wish to inject their child with an experimental vaccine with so many side effects?

Presumably to allow their immune system to get a head start on covid which you could call an experimental virus with so many side effects

Is it ok to allow 16 and 17 yr olds to make their own decision?

Exactly. They're old enough to decide to take the contraceptive pill which has known risks

@Sadsiblingatsea

Why on earth would a parent wish to inject their child with an experimental vaccine with so many side effects?

Why on earth would a parent be happy for their child to contract a novel virus with so many side effects?

It's. Not. Experimental.

My 16y old has been vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, which uses mRNA to stimulate the immune response, which I was working on when I was still in science in the late 90s.

I would get my younger teens vaccinated if I could, and will as soon as I can.

I just hope that the vaccine doesn’t become compulsory for kids at any point. It’s one thing making it mandatory for adults but that should never have the case for children

Why do you think it would be OK to force adults to have a vaccine but not children?

16yo make their own medical decisions and give consent, they don't need a parent to give consent, apart from in exceptional circumstances

It's. Not. Experimental. My 16y old has been vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, which uses mRNA to stimulate the immune response, which I was working on when I was still in science in the late 90s.

You were injecting mRNA vaccines into humans in the 90's?

That's odd because no one else had done it until last year

@WeatheringStorms22
I didn’t say it’s acceptable for adults but for me it’s another level making it compulsory for kids.
I definitely don’t want it mandatory for anyone!

Wonder if it will be available privately for teens?

I’m much more concerned about what’s given to my child than to me

"Who qualifies as vulnerable? Will it include learning disabilities?"

Children with a LD are in the flu group so I would expect them to be classed as CV. 16 and over with a LD have already been vaccinated as have some of those under 16 who live in residential care.

Thank god. Let's hope it stays this way. not sure who in their right mind would let their kids have it.

Thank god. Let's hope it stays this way. not sure who in their right mind would let their kids have it.

Are you anti vaccines in general?

excellent decision. Both me and dh have been double jabbed. But I have dc aged 13,15 and 16 and would not be keen for them to be vaccinated at this stage.

Seems bonkers. I get the personal risk of dying to them at present isn’t great. But long covid a potential issue plus the more it spreads about the more likely a new vaccine resistant variation appears which could be more serious for everyone including teens.

For all the people saying they’re glad about the decision as they wouldn’t let their dc have the vaccine. Even if they’d made the opposite decision nobody is forcing anyone to have it. Some adults are currently choosing not to have it. But I think at least let teens have the choice.

@Katekarate

Thank god. Let's hope it stays this way. not sure who in their right mind would let their kids have it.

Are you anti vaccines in general?

Nope I payed for both of my children to have a vaccine a couple of years ago which the youngest missed out on by a couple of months and I then decided to get the older one done too, so not anti vaccine at all.

There must be a reason, I cannot believe parents on here are so desperate to give their teen a vaccine? I can fully understand the need if they are vulnerable or living with someone who is but otherwise what is the benefit? Really? Surely parents have had it, so have grandparents?

@WeatheringStorms22

It's. Not. Experimental. My 16y old has been vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, which uses mRNA to stimulate the immune response, which I was working on when I was still in science in the late 90s.

You were injecting mRNA vaccines into humans in the 90's?

That's odd because no one else had done it until last year

You really don't understand science and scientific research do you?

Note I said "working on" - early stages, experimental if you like, in the 90s (and for cancer treatment, in my particular case, not a vaccine delivery system, which came later, but still over 10 years ago).

Which is by the by. The Pfizer vaccine, which has been approved by the regulatory authorities for human use outside of trials is, by definition, not experimental.

Do we think 'vulnerable' , as in the parents, means CEV, or more generally vulnerable eg over 50s, high blood pressure etc?

@noblegiraffe

Their report isn't out till tomorrow, but continuing with the govt tradition of making big announcements via favoured news outlets, the Telegraph reports that the guidance will be that children aged 12+ will not be offered routine covid vaccinations.

"Instead, under guidance due to be issued on Monday, jabs will be offered to children between 12 and 15 who are deemed vulnerable to Covid or who live with adults who are immunosuppressed or otherwise vulnerable to the virus. They will also now be offered to all 17-year-olds within three months of their 18th birthday."

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/07/17/children-will-get-covid-vaccines-vulnerable/

So from September, there will be literally nothing stopping covid spreading around schools bar the odd open window.

So 12 to 15 year olds who are considered vulnerable will be offered it, but not 15-18 year olds who are also vulnerable? Or have I misunderstood?

My ds is 17 and vulnerable. If that is the case, he won’t be offered a vaccine until next February, leaving him vulnerable right through the winter period. He is pretty much house-bound anyway, but vulnerable to catching it from his 12 year old sister and at any one of the umpty million medical appointments he has to attend. Given a summer cold caused him to miss the entire Summer term in 2019, if he catches Covid it will exacerbate his existing illness and screw up his chances of re-starting his education from home come September, after a year of being missing from education, thanks to our LA using the pandemic as an excuse to not put any provision in place for him.

Why do the 16-18 year old age group get overlooked again and again when it comes to things like healthcare (generally neither Paeds or Adult Care want them) and Special Needs Education?

@ilikecheesecake

Thank god. Let's hope it stays this way. not sure who in their right mind would let their kids have it.

Perhaps someone whose dc hasn’t been anywhere since February 2020 and lives with the constant worry of catching Covid from his sibling, who attends a massive secondary school that the virus was running through at speed just before they broke up for summer?

The same dc whose 19 year old brother was vaccinated, despite not being as vulnerable?

@PermanentlyDizzy
That’s because it is currently allowed to be administered to 16+ who are clinically vulnerable. Not sure what they consider CV though.

Thank god. I for one would much rather wait Until more info is known as to the long term effects before giving it to people who have so much of their lives left to live.

@wasthataburp

Thank god. I for one would much rather wait Until more info is known as to the long term effects before giving it to people who have so much of their lives left to live.

And you would have that choice. The rest of us who clearly want our kids to suffer long term effects could give it to them.

@wasthataburp

Thank god. I for one would much rather wait Until more info is known as to the long term effects before giving it to people who have so much of their lives left to live.

I'd rather risk the vaccine than my kids catching covid, which is now inevitable.