Government urging caution…

[Moonme]

Anyone else feel like we are back to early March 2020. They are opening night clubs but then telling us to be cautious and not be reckless?! How do we square that circle? What is reckless behaviour? Coffee in doors? Going to a bar? Sitting in a cinema?
Finding it increasingly hard to know what we should be doing.
Government once again have totally lost control of the public health messaging.

@Moonme

In other news France have decided 4,000 cases per day is too high. England meanwhile…

The Dutch PM has apologised for loosening restrictions while cases were rising and admitted this was a mistake.

yeah ok "magical" never worked in a office didn't know you knew my work history.

Anyhoo I have to catch my unicorn home and feed the fairy's their tea

Tally' ho' magical beast.

That's how your conversations come across. As ones that don't happen I'm real life and completely made up from an imagination that works far too hard.

[quote Moonme]@MarshaBradyo you can’t enter a bar or public space without two vaccines or negative test and I believe masks aren’t standard in most indoor spaces including schools[/quote]
Oh right I thought you meant other stuff

I saw that more as tackling vaccine uptake

@MarshaBradyo I’m confused… how is that doing nothing? It’s preventative measures. All of which we’ve removed…

[quote Moonme]@MarshaBradyo I’m confused… how is that doing nothing? It’s preventative measures. All of which we’ve removed…[/quote]
I’m not saying it’s nothing

I thought you meant other increased restrictions

The vaccine one I knew about. It’s helped over a million book and still going. It’s helping uptake - I’d see that as it’s main objective

I wondered if they had re-introduced mixing limits that kind of thing

@Unsoliciteddeckpic

yeah ok "magical" never worked in a office didn't know you knew my work history.

Anyhoo I have to catch my unicorn home and feed the fairy's their tea

Tally' ho' magical beast.

That's how your conversations come across. As ones that don't happen I'm real life and completely made up from an imagination that works far too hard.

Ha! Or maybe because that's how I know some local business have responded.

But anyhoo, perhaps I'm just happy, happy that after 16months of stress, increased work pressures, long hours, difficult situations such as scrambling for a piece of cloth to cover someone's mouth to perform CPR to "limit exposure to Covid" is slowly coming to end.

Happy that there is light at the end of the tunnel after 16 months of hardwork and dedication to my role. Happy that my life is not just work and locked in the house. That I can go out and unwind/de-stress.

But who knows. Wales have done well at this, and I have faith they will continue to do so regardless of government advice or de-lgegislation that may come. Wales are currently 2nd in the world for vaccination of population, so perhaps we feel more certain that people will behave responsibly.

@KOKOagainandagain

Good adaptation of the poem.

@MarshaBradyo less overall cases means less overall proportions in hospital/dying/other outcomes such as Long Covid. Also it gives better time for vaccines to be evaluated for children.

Speaker on radio 4 yesterday on PM from London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine John Edmunds (Professor of Infectious Disease Modelling)
at 17.20

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000xsv7

He says roughly 9 million children will be likely be infected in the coming months.

If they go on to have a rate of 7% of Long Covid that is a heck of a lot of cases.

Slow and gradual unlocking will mean less overall cases, it gives us more time to study the disease and its longer term implications to health of various populations.

I know its not what some people want to hear, maybe some people want all the freedoms and rather less of the responsibility.

Its very likely what is coming down the line though.

On the plus side he thought most people are reasonably cautious (looking back on patterns from the last years).

Rising cases of Long Covid rising down the line I meant - not slower unlocking.

My brain needs a rest!

@MistressOfEvilMaleficent oh you know a couple of business that can and have made their offices covid safe or at least reduced risk, that their employees feel confident returning to work.

Well that definitely means the rest of the office workers are in the same situation.

Of course you are glad, if you think it's coming to an end. That wasn't the point at all

The point is, that the vast majority of people can not just act on their own risk assesments and only do what they are comfortable with. That they need to rely on other peoples risk assesments and actions.

They need other people to be making good decisions too. Your made up conversations about how people do their own risk assesments and it all works put in under 30 seconds, isn't how it would actually works.

It doesn’t really help that some of their messaging appears to be aimed at members of their own party rather than the public

Exactly that. This is all aimed at appeasing the CRG.

Oh come on. Its obvious why they delayed for four weeks. Its so they can blame any rises caused by the Euros and Wimbledon on the rest of the public. We have just had the UEFA elite here without having to quarantine but i bet the usual suspects here will blame it on someone not wearing a mask in Tesco.

@MyGardenSanctuary

Surely CEV people were being careful anyway before the pandemic?

Why?

Israel is a good exemplar.

Unlocking slowly and cautiously at a high level of vaccination and reversing whenever needed.

Doing what's necessary to fight the virus.

Not what's necessary to keep Steve Baker and the members of the CRG happy.

The Netherlands are a cautionary tale.

I've switched off - I don't believe anything the government or scientist say. I don't believe anything I read or anything anyone tells me.

[quote KisstheTeapot14]@KOKOagainandagain

Good adaptation of the poem.

@MarshaBradyo less overall cases means less overall proportions in hospital/dying/other outcomes such as Long Covid. Also it gives better time for vaccines to be evaluated for children.

Speaker on radio 4 yesterday on PM from London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine John Edmunds (Professor of Infectious Disease Modelling)
at 17.20

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000xsv7

He says roughly 9 million children will be likely be infected in the coming months.

If they go on to have a rate of 7% of Long Covid that is a heck of a lot of cases.

Slow and gradual unlocking will mean less overall cases, it gives us more time to study the disease and its longer term implications to health of various populations.

I know its not what some people want to hear, maybe some people want all the freedoms and rather less of the responsibility.

Its very likely what is coming down the line though.

On the plus side he thought most people are reasonably cautious (looking back on patterns from the last years).[/quote]
No it’s not a case of not what wanting to hear it. No issue with fact based posts at all.

More interested in what you mean re slowing it down whilst we review vaccine for 12 plus.

What restrictions and for how long? What do you suggest

Confusion for nightclubs over Covid pass policy www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57819679

Interesting article about some of the discussions earlier and that proprietors are also confused

MyGardenSanctuary
Surely CEV people were being careful anyway before the pandemic

What? My life was normal, thank you very much. So was that of all the other CEV people I know.

What on earth do you think we were “being careful” about?

[quote Moonme]@MistressOfEvilMaleficent we have laws and legislation for those things though?!
It’s not just because I think it’s the right thing to do…[/quote]
Most people drive at the speed limit because we will be prosecuted if we don't! Not because we're 'socially responsible'.

Unless they face a similar law, a lot of people will choose not to wear masks, then ignore my personal space (never mind 1 metre). Where is MY personal choice?

@PrincessNutNuts

Israel is a good exemplar.

Unlocking slowly and cautiously at a high level of vaccination and reversing whenever needed.

Doing what's necessary to fight the virus.

Not what's necessary to keep Steve Baker and the members of the CRG happy.

The Netherlands are a cautionary tale.

And Israel didn’t have the exit wave that Boris Johnson et al say is inevitable…

@Jaxhog I agree. Exactly what I was saying

@PrincessNutNuts

Israel is a good exemplar.

Unlocking slowly and cautiously at a high level of vaccination and reversing whenever needed.

Doing what's necessary to fight the virus.

Not what's necessary to keep Steve Baker and the members of the CRG happy.

The Netherlands are a cautionary tale.

Exactly. Clearly bank bench moaning counts for more than people's lives.

And Israel didn’t have the exit wave that Boris Johnson et al say is inevitable

Exit waves are not a thing. It’s just not controlling the infection rate any more. If you have herd immunity, you don’t get an ‘exit wave’.

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

And Israel didn’t have the exit wave that Boris Johnson et al say is inevitable

Exit waves are not a thing. It’s just not controlling the infection rate any more. If you have herd immunity, you don’t get an ‘exit wave’.

Quite.

I thought Israel did see a rise and re-introduced masks?

Do they have herd immunity or just slowed rise, as you can still pass virus, even though is reduced

If people who are double vaccinated are in hospital : deaths they’d happen

People talking about the selfish what do you want?

Just masks?