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Government urging caution…

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Moonme · 13/07/2021 10:45

Anyone else feel like we are back to early March 2020. They are opening night clubs but then telling us to be cautious and not be reckless?! How do we square that circle? What is reckless behaviour? Coffee in doors? Going to a bar? Sitting in a cinema?
Finding it increasingly hard to know what we should be doing.
Government once again have totally lost control of the public health messaging.

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Lemonmelonsun · 13/07/2021 12:15

Wonder it's because not mandating masks means those that don't want too don't have too but that impacts on many many others.. And we can't do much about that.

Even if we wear the best mask we still need something over our eyes too.

sleepwouldbenice · 13/07/2021 12:18

@nordica

There was a scientist and JCVI member (sorry I've forgotten his name) on the BBC yesterday saying the cautious and gradual reopening message was intended so that people could do everything, just not everyone at the same time. So go to the office but maybe not every day and not on the same days everyone else does. Go to the pub but don't mix with too many people. Wear a mask when you think you should. It's all up to you but if everyone forgets about any precautions then the consequences will be dire with hospitals surely overwhelmed. Confused

I think what will happen is those who haven't been careful for some time now will forget about any caution and those who have been cautious will be even more cautious. Then we hope the two will balance each other out and we'll end up with economic recovery but not too many covid cases so hospitals are not overwhelmed.

Yes this Not very difficult is it You can do what you want now but that doesn't mean : That you should do it That you should do it frequently
LucilleTheVampireBat · 13/07/2021 12:24

The fact is that the stupid and selfish will just do whatever they want with no legal restrictions

So, people engaging in perfectly legal normal activities are "stupid and selfish" according to you? How bizarre.

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 12:28

@x2boys

They are damned if they do and damned if they don't really, people have been ignoring the rules and the guidelines all along, cases are sky rocketing and whilst deaths and hospitalizations are going up, not dramatically so What do people want?
A competent government that mounts an effective covid response.
PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 12:32

*If they had said something like - we know this will cause higher infection, hospitalisation and death rates but we have concluded it is better to have that during summer than postpone the inevitable til winter, then it might have made some sense.…

But that is exactly what they have said and some people still won’t / don’t listen*

They said there's going to be a wave of hospitalisations and deaths now and one in the winter, (And of course there'll be more next year.)

herecomesthsun · 13/07/2021 12:35

It is safer now for me than before I was vaccinated. But not completely safe. It is not an all or nothing thing. So I took the car to the garage, this morning, but I won't be going to a nightclub.

If I were 18, had no medical conditions and maybe had 1 or both jabs, I might be desperate to go to a nightclub. For them, that might be less risky than me taking the car to the garage.

QueenStromba · 13/07/2021 12:38

@Lemonmelonsun

Messaging is ridiculous! It's the younger unvacinated who will be rammed into air less night clubs!!

Chris whitty seemed very odd yesterday.

He can't have believed what he was saying - they've clearly strong armed him somehow. Vallance was being very careful with his words, he didn't directly contradict anything the others said be he didn't confirm any of it either.
roguetomato · 13/07/2021 12:40

It's simple enough. We need to use our common sense, and gov isn't taking responsibility for what happens because of that, so it's all up to us to decide what's safe.

QueenStromba · 13/07/2021 12:40

@roguetomato

It's simple enough. We need to use our common sense, and gov isn't taking responsibility for what happens because of that, so it's all up to us to decide what's safe.
That would be fine if common sense was in fact common.
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Moonme · 13/07/2021 12:41

@wonderstuff123 I’m baffled that you don’t think the Government’s role is to govern…particularly in times of crisis.
Would you say the same about scrapping seat belt laws or drink driving legislation and let people choose their own level of personal responsibility to this?

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Moonme · 13/07/2021 12:42

@QueenStromba my point above stands for your comment too. It’s not up to the public en masse to judge individual responsibilities for something that has a collective impact

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UserAtLarge · 13/07/2021 12:43

They've made it clear,make your own risk assessments. If you don't feel comfortable going to the cinema,don't go. If you worry about picking it up in a coffee shop,don't go.

But we still have the same problem we've had all along ... that people don't make their own risk assessments for the population as whole - they make them for themselves.

I don't personally want to go to a crowded nightclub but if others want to, them up to them.

As long as they don't subsequently come into close contact with anyone else who doesn't share their views.
Which is the sticking point. Because if I have to go to work via public transport, or I work in a shop or a hospital ... then I don't have a choice to avoid them.

TheLovelinessOfDemons · 13/07/2021 12:44

If you're CV or CEV, you're advised to keep your distance from the unvaccinated. How can you tell?

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Moonme · 13/07/2021 12:45

And how do publicans and night club owners feel I wonder? The risk is basically theirs now to take…

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MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2021 12:47

@Moonme

And how do publicans and night club owners feel I wonder? The risk is basically theirs now to take…
Happy to be opening?

Listen to the CEO of nighttime industries - nightclubs etc

I heard him about a month ago and he was incredibly annoyed to be delayed again and said many wouldn’t last

It’ll be interesting to see who does the Covid pass

I think it will be low as what they want is to operate and survive as a business

PrincessNutNuts · 13/07/2021 12:48

@herecomesthsun

It is safer now for me than before I was vaccinated. But not completely safe. It is not an all or nothing thing. So I took the car to the garage, this morning, but I won't be going to a nightclub.

If I were 18, had no medical conditions and maybe had 1 or both jabs, I might be desperate to go to a nightclub. For them, that might be less risky than me taking the car to the garage.

Everyone's chances of catching covid are about to be higher than they've ever been.

People who lived where cases were low were in very little danger before. Many groups of people had quite low odds of catching covid, and most of us haven't been in contact with covid at all.

But government policy is actively to infect us all now.

Just hopefully not all at once.

So despite vaccines, the danger has increased for everyone.

Because most of us don't know how we'll respond to being infected with Delta,

MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2021 12:49

My risk is definitely lower double vaccinated than before

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Moonme · 13/07/2021 12:50

@MarshaBradyo Just heard several on the radio saying they don’t know what to do for the best and feel like the Government have laid extra burden on them. Staff having to isolate potentially, predicting numbers due to people being told to avoid crowded spaces etc

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snowy0wl · 13/07/2021 12:51

They are clearly setting the public up so they can be blamed when it all goes badly wrong in a few weeks.

I completely agree. The government is sitting on the fence. We will be locked down again in a few weeks but they will blame the public.

newnortherner111 · 13/07/2021 12:51

I hope we exercise caution every time we vote in future and do not vote Conservative. The phrase attributed to Norman Tebbit incorrectly that 'no one with a conscience votes Tory anyway' could never be truer.

MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2021 12:52

[quote Moonme]@MarshaBradyo Just heard several on the radio saying they don’t know what to do for the best and feel like the Government have laid extra burden on them. Staff having to isolate potentially, predicting numbers due to people being told to avoid crowded spaces etc[/quote]
What do they prefer to happen?

Sounds like they’re doing nappy either way

MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2021 12:52

Unhappy ;

BIoodyStupidJohnson · 13/07/2021 12:54

Why does it continue to be the government's responsibility to manage our safety?

We now have a solid (and still-growing) knowledge base about this virus and the illness it causes. We have effective vaccines and treatments.

We can't keep pulling out the 'some people' argument forever.

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Moonme · 13/07/2021 12:54

@MarshaBradyo A Government that gives clear guidance…not just ‘stay in, don’t stay in’ plus a safety net financially for not being able to open or loses I would imagine. Some proactive planning? France are saying only those vaccinated/negative test can enter bars etc We are saying make it up and see what happens…
And before we quote the ‘magic money tree’ let’s remember there’s always money there…they just choose how to spend it

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jgw1 · 13/07/2021 12:55

@snowy0wl

They are clearly setting the public up so they can be blamed when it all goes badly wrong in a few weeks.

I completely agree. The government is sitting on the fence. We will be locked down again in a few weeks but they will blame the public.

It has just come to me. We should have a referendum on whether or not to keep covid restrictions. The last one went so well after all.