France pulls out the big guns!

[NotPregnantJustChubs]

I live in France and Macron has just made a speech saying that from the end of July, vaccination or a negative test is going to be compulsory for cultural and entertainment venues. From August, it’ll be compulsory for cafes and restaurants too. This applies to all 12+.

PCR tests will become paid as of September, to encourage vaccination.

I’m already vaccinated, thankfully, and I do think it’s necessary to contain the delta variant. But wowza, I’m waiting to hear the backlash in the morning. Macron is up for reelection next year as well, they must be very desperate to contain this…

@HilaryThorpe

No the conditions are not the same *@MarshaBradyo*. If you are fully vaccinated in the UK, France will accept your certificate and you will not have to quarantine here. If we go to the UK they will not accept our French certificate and we have to quarantine. Infections in France are about ten times lower than in the UK. The vaccines are the same. How is this fair?

Spot on. I will be fully vaccinated by the end of this week, I have a vaccination certificate issued by the World Health Organisation. It’s in English. Somehow I am not allowed to come to England without quarantine and a lot of expensive tests, because my vaccine wasn’t administered by the NHS. God knows how getting it through the NHS makes it more effective or special than everyone else’s. It’s very unfair and a major problem for Brits stuck abroad who can’t visit their families due to this. It’s a licensed vaccine and we all have valid certificates, but it only applies to British residents who got them through the NHS. That’s what I call a two tier rule.

@Bordelique Well, where would the government be without the enforcement arm? Better to keep as many as possible in that sector.

[quote LittleRed53]@Bordelique Well, where would the government be without the enforcement arm? Better to keep as many as possible in that sector.[/quote]
Yes my post was sarcastic, of course he needs them on side. Not the nurses, caters or doctor who are resigning today.

@HilaryThorpe

No the conditions are not the same *@MarshaBradyo*. If you are fully vaccinated in the UK, France will accept your certificate and you will not have to quarantine here. If we go to the UK they will not accept our French certificate and we have to quarantine. Infections in France are about ten times lower than in the UK. The vaccines are the same. How is this fair?

THIS. It's a travesty.

(off topic, sorry, but @HilaryThorpe is your username a reference to DLS 9 tailors?)

@TeddingtonTrashbag Well spotted! I do DLS characters every time. 😊 Hilary is only about 55 years younger than me. (Well maybe quite a bit older in real time, but you know what I mean). 😂

@Flywheel

I hope they do not relax the conditions too much for UK teens. When the UK are predicting 100000 cases a day, and a very sizable % of those cases will be in unvaccinated teens, it doesn't sound very sensible or safe to give them open access based on a single test result.

I agree. We have guests coming from the UK with unvaccinated teens...I wonder what the rules will be.

[quote HilaryThorpe]@TeddingtonTrashbag Well spotted! I do DLS characters every time. 😊 Hilary is only about 55 years younger than me. (Well maybe quite a bit older in real time, but you know what I mean). 😂[/quote]
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Yep, like others upthread have said the lack of reciprocity in the UK-France arrangements is a **, especially given relative case numbers, and I’ll be honest, it does sometimes make it hard to be completely sympathetic with some posters.

Like many here because we are French resident, vaccinated in France we can’t get over to the UK to catch up with family this summer without going through the the self isolation, 2 and 8 day test protocol with perhaps a change of getting out early via test and release.

OTOH and by comparison for a Brit going the other way ATM it’s relatively plain sailing both ways..no isolation either end…

@Bordelique are you sure about accessing healthcare? I’ve seen nothing about that so would appreciate a link. Only healthcare workers and those obliged to be in the ER need to be vaccinated, so firefighters yes, but not the police (in France the firefighters provide lots of emergency care) Pretty logical to me. And no mention of supermarkets or shops, just very large shops so that is just your projection.

Perhaps a hcp willing to risk infecting their vulnerable patients when a vaccine is available needs to rethink their career choices in any case?

[quote usuallydormant]@Bordelique are you sure about accessing healthcare? I’ve seen nothing about that so would appreciate a link. Only healthcare workers and those obliged to be in the ER need to be vaccinated, so firefighters yes, but not the police (in France the firefighters provide lots of emergency care) Pretty logical to me. And no mention of supermarkets or shops, just very large shops so that is just your projection.

Perhaps a hcp willing to risk infecting their vulnerable patients when a vaccine is available needs to rethink their career choices in any case?[/quote]
www.francebleu.fr/infos/sante-sciences/coronavirus-ou-le-pass-sanitaire-sera-t-il-obligatoire-1626082009
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Here's a link

Yes it's my projection. At the moment the government haven't confirmed if the supermarkets in the shopping centres will be accessed only with the pass sanitaire.
But last night Macron promised to restrict access further by tightening restrictions on other establishments come September.

Thanks, hadn’t picked up on that. But doesn’t really change my opinion - delta is so contagious that extra care needs to be taken. But would hope that these tests would be free - it definitely wouldn’t be fair to get people to pay to access healthcare.

@usuallydormant

Thanks, hadn’t picked up on that. But doesn’t really change my opinion - delta is so contagious that extra care needs to be taken. But would hope that these tests would be free - it definitely wouldn’t be fair to get people to pay to access healthcare.

Yes try will be free with a prescription

In case anyone hasn’t seen, the pass sanitaire for 12-17 yr olds has been delayed to 30 August. Sorry the links in french

twitter.com/bfmtv/status/1415018059509772296?s=21

so, it could be get vaccinated or you can’t go to a supermarket to buy food? How wonderful.

I hope the french find their rioting legs.

[quote workwoes123]In case anyone hasn’t seen, the pass sanitaire for 12-17 yr olds has been delayed to 30 August. Sorry the links in french

twitter.com/bfmtv/status/1415018059509772296?s=21[/quote]
Yea the government were forced to do that or it would ruin the summer tourist season. I hope they are forced to make similar U turns on their other proposed measures soon

800 000 people were vaccinated today in France. So seems that the French have found their legs indeed and walked to get their jabs.

It is highly unlikely to be extended to supermarkets. They have been treated differently thoughout the crise. It would be in no-ones interest to apply the passe sanitaire.

I think if there is civil unrest it will come from the people forced to vacinated or lose their jobs, not only health care workers, but restaurant workers etc. And even, as we found out today, Vets. My DD is a vet student working at a surgery over the summer. She is fully vacinated but several of the vet nurses are not. They have to get fully vacinated by 15th September, but today it is dificult to get an appointment for a first jab before August.

@Frenchfancy

It is highly unlikely to be extended to supermarkets. They have been treated differently thoughout the crise. It would be in no-ones interest to apply the passe sanitaire.

I think if there is civil unrest it will come from the people forced to vacinated or lose their jobs, not only health care workers, but restaurant workers etc. And even, as we found out today, Vets. My DD is a vet student working at a surgery over the summer. She is fully vacinated but several of the vet nurses are not. They have to get fully vacinated by 15th September, but today it is dificult to get an appointment for a first jab before August.

Vets but not gendarmes. ?

I was volunteering at a kids thing the other day and one of the other mums was a waitress who said she was waiting for the vaccine as she didn’t really need it as she was holidaying in France. She had her mask hanging under her nose... I just thought, I don’t want to eat in your resto…. Another friend said she wasn’t bothered as numbers were low and there were enough other people vaccinating not to bother. There are a lot of those people around who just need an incentive to make the appointment so hopefully this will do it.

I wonder about the civil unrest… clearly there will be a lot of antis and political posturing but I get the impression there has been a lot of support given to small business and measures have been relatively well accepted. Even the gilet jaunes types I know have been grudgingly acceptant of the measures. And keeping the schools open has been an amazing feat. I keep telling the teachers in my local school about how much my family in the UK and Ireland have missed….it’s been a nightmare to organize but they did amazing work. Kids over 6 have been wearing masks all day every day but I hope their mental health will have benefited enormously from being able to stay in school all year.

As for the appointments, my under 18 son will be fully vaccinated mid August - for the last month there have been loads of rdv for those who are willing.

I'm watching with interest as I was hoping to travel to France in September with my autistic teens who can't bear crowds and heat.

They can't, I don't think, access the jab here so I might need a complete rethink given that they will need frequent pqr testing at our expense (and they struggle with those tests for sensory reasons).

My dd will not be vaccinated. She is 13

The low case thing is interesting as a reason

I’m double vaccinated but going back my first appointment was in April. Take up was high for my age group, late 40s, but cases must have been really low then.

There’s something that meant many didn’t think not worth it in same way.

In most of France at the moment, cases are extremely low, well under 50 per 100k. If you don’t follow international news, you may not understand the impact Delta may have.

I’m traveling abroad as I’m desperate to see my parents in Ireland but frankly if you’re traveling for a holiday I just wouldn’t bother, there are too many unknowns and who knows where we’ll all be in September.

@usuallydormant

In most of France at the moment, cases are extremely low, well under 50 per 100k. If you don’t follow international news, you may not understand the impact Delta may have.

I’m traveling abroad as I’m desperate to see my parents in Ireland but frankly if you’re traveling for a holiday I just wouldn’t bother, there are too many unknowns and who knows where we’ll all be in September.

Of course I know the impact of delta we’ve just been through the rise, that’s a bit of an odd thing to say really

Yes we’re aware delta is higher here - and has come from a low base

My point was that there have been a few posts saying people didn’t bother because cases were low.

When I got my first vaccination cases were very low here. Under 50 per 100k easily. But it didn’t put my age group off

So maybe a comms thing or something else