Double jabbed - how safe do you feel?

[PuzzledObserver]

Coverage in the press today about advice to employers being slimmed down - basically it will be up to them to do their own risk assessments and decide on policy in their premises. Also coverage (and a thread already) about Govt plans to make Covid passports compulsory for access to pubs, clubs and restaurants from the Autumn - to encourage take-up of vaccines among the young.

If you are double-jabbed - how safe do you feel and are there things you will still not do?

I am double-jabbed on top of having had Covid. I am happy to meet with small groups of people indoors, but keeping a reasonable distance. I will continue to avoid crowded and cramped places, and to wear a mask on public transport and in shops. The mask is more to protect others in the unlikely event that I am infected.

My logic is that Covid has more chance of overcoming my immunity if I’m exposed to a lot of it all at once, e.g. the crowded stuffy indoor setting, so that is to be avoided. Whereas a ‘glancing blow’ of Covid from a short exposure is unlikely to overcome my immunity. If anything, it will remind my immune system of who the enemy is, and strengthen it.

At this point I couldn't be less bothered. I am negative bothered.

@TheKeatingFive

I really do not understand all this hysteria in healthy people under 40 😐 Grow a backbone and get on with your bloody lives!

This

I’ve never been particularly scared to begin with and when I’m double jabbed (in a week) my risk will be infinitesimal for serious illness (40, no health issues).

People seem to be be (maybe deliberately?) misunderstanding. When I go out nowadays, I find myself 'risk assessing' most situations based in how likely it is that Covid could be present/ being transmitted in that situation. So if I am in a restaurant, even outside, some of that time ( not all of course) is spent thinking about the possibility of catching and/ transmitting an infectious diseases. I still go about my business as much as possible but this thought factors into some of my daily decisions. This is because infections are so high so I feel this is a rational way to be at the moment. Last summer was different because numbers were so low. Covid was not in my mind much when I went out then. This is what I mean about not necessarily feeling completely safe . It just means I am giving more headspace to the possibility of dying or inadvertently killing someone than usual. Also on trying to reduce the possibility that I need to go to hospital for any reason.

This means I am living with fewer delusions than I normally do, as no one is completely safe at any point after they are born really..

This is not ' being terrified' in my mind, it is living with the reality of a very high prevalence of infectious disease at a, particular point in time.

Seasonal flu is not the same as it tends to happen at certain times of the year so is very predictable and the prevalence is nowhere near as high usually, even in bad years.

The vaccines have helped so that Covid takes up less headspace than it might've otherwise but it is still there for now. When infections are at a more reasonable and ,more importantly, at a more predictable level, then Covid will move to the same headspace I give to thinking about being in a car crash before I drive somewhere ( or very little)

I feel pretty safe. I am just worried about getting it asymptomatically and passing it onto someone more vulnerable eg my parents and I don’t want to contribute to general high figures so I am trying to distance, wear masks etc.

@bumblingbovine49

👍 That's it perfectly. Being aware and taking steps to attempt to reduce risk, yet not letting it control your life.

It seems to be thought there's only two camps - covid parties, or trembling in a corner whilst spraying self with anti-virus.

I'm at the same stage I have been throughout tbh, paying attention to the risk - reducing perceived risk but still doing the things we enjoy in a safer way.

I don't expect to live the rest of my life without catching it so I'd rather get it now than in winter, so I'm not worrying.

I know that people can get it multiple times, but I'd rather my immune system start to recognise and deal with it (or not) starting now.

Double jabbed, 66. I am very prone to chest infections which can become severe so could well be screwed if I do get it.

I don’t necessarily feel safe but I’ve given up worrying about it…what will be, will be. I’ll be going to gigs from September assuming it hasn’t all gone wrong again by then.

I will continue to wear a mask in crowded places - I know it’s not protecting me but I like being able to go to the shops without people trying to talk to me.

@LucilleTheVampireBat

The fact that so many on MN sit and worry about their safety tells me that this is an odd place for very anxious people

It's bizarre isn't it. Would anyone have said "do you feel safe" about anything 18 months ago. Nothing is safe. Life never has been safe and now it seems everyone is wibbling around terrified of catching a bug and expecting to "feel safe".

I'm wondering if these people are risk averse in general? Or just with Covid? It's well-known that perception of risk is not rational, and I think we're seeing evidence of that here.

In real life I don't see people cowering and not 'feeling safe'. I wonder what it would take for some people here to 'feel safe'?

There is pretty much nothing I would be uncomfortable doing now due to the risk of covid, happy to meet in groups, go to restaurants, theatres etc. I was never very worried about it to be honest (although more concerned for my DM and PIL and have followed all the rules) and now I just intend to get on with my life to be honest.

I'm happy to test regularly but tomorrow isn't guaranteed and I'm not going waste anymore of my life if I can possibly avoid it!

It's just not about safety though. I really can't be arsed to have to self isolate because I've been named as a close contact. We've got 4 off work self isolating, one of which was sent home with symptoms after a night out. As cases rise, our risk of getting Covid is getting higher but our risk of inconvenience and upheaval is more.

Double jabbed, but not that safe. I know a few people at work that have been double jabbed and have still caught it, one has been quite poorly.

I am taking more precautions than most, but I always have because of underlying conditions. I feel as safe as I do during flu season.

@Grace58

Double jabbed, but not that safe. I know a few people at work that have been double jabbed and have still caught it, one has been quite poorly.

I find the use of the word 'safe' quite odd. I don't think I've ever heard it used before in the context of illnesses. I've never heard people say they don't ''feel safe' when there's a virulent flu going around. And yes, before anyone screams at me I know Covid is not flu, but this idea of 'safety' is strange to me.

I think we all might need to accept that Covid isn’t going anywhere and we will all get it at some point?

The terminology here is so emotive. ‘Do you feel safe?’ I never felt unsafe. I’m healthy and in my 40s, Covid most wouldn’t have been serious for me without a vaccine. Now I feel quite belt and braces.

Are we trying to avoid all illnesses now?

We have effective vaccines yet we don’t for many other illnesses. The government’s fear campaign has been so effective it’s actually backfiring now as they try and open up.

This is going to make a very interesting study oj human behaviour in years to come...

Crossed post with you @IcedPurple I find this use of the word ‘safe’ with an illness utterly bizarre.

@Delatron

Crossed post with you *@IcedPurple* I find this use of the word ‘safe’ with an illness utterly bizarre.

Yeah, it's like all the 'Stay safe!' stuff.

I wasn't planning on going for a dip in shark infested waters, but thanks all the same.

@PuzzledObserver

Coverage in the press today about advice to employers being slimmed down - basically it will be up to them to do their own risk assessments and decide on policy in their premises. Also coverage (and a thread already) about Govt plans to make Covid passports compulsory for access to pubs, clubs and restaurants from the Autumn - to encourage take-up of vaccines among the young.

If you are double-jabbed - how safe do you feel and are there things you will still not do?

I am double-jabbed on top of having had Covid. I am happy to meet with small groups of people indoors, but keeping a reasonable distance. I will continue to avoid crowded and cramped places, and to wear a mask on public transport and in shops. The mask is more to protect others in the unlikely event that I am infected.

My logic is that Covid has more chance of overcoming my immunity if I’m exposed to a lot of it all at once, e.g. the crowded stuffy indoor setting, so that is to be avoided. Whereas a ‘glancing blow’ of Covid from a short exposure is unlikely to overcome my immunity. If anything, it will remind my immune system of who the enemy is, and strengthen it.

Agree with you.

I'm more concerned about the pain in the arse that is isolating than actually catching COVID.

@eurochick

I'm more concerned about the pain in the arse that is isolating than actually catching COVID.

Can't you just delete the app, like it seems half the country is doing?

Reasonably.

Also had it last March/April and double jabbed.

Been working in a school throughout (they weren't closed just limited numbers!), been doing all food shopping for me and ds and my parents who were both shielding LD1 due to chemo.

Continue to food shop and also support poolside for my ds swim club.

I feel safe because currently masks are still worn in shops, restaurants etc still have safety measures and pools have great ventilation and chlorine kills covid in 30 seconds!

Personally I don't feel ready to get in a plane, travel abroad, attend packed pubs etc.

Not so bothered about visiting friends houses because I know the people I'm visiting are also careful like me.

So I think I'll continue to be careful and complete my own risk assessments rather than just go out into the world as if covid had disappeared because July the 19th has turned up!

I have deleted but I've got friends who won't lie about who they've been around.

It was reported that thousands deleted the app yesterday.

@HelloMissus

It was reported that thousands deleted the app yesterday.

I switched off the Bluetooth tracing months back.

We have to switch it off at work and I am at a distance poolside and under the clubs TT anyway.

Anywhere else I've been it will pick up passing contact and as I LFT twice a week I don't feel it benefits me. Plus it's advisory only anyway and my LFT would tell me if I needed to isolate!

commander I don’t blame folk for that.
And if I’d been a proper close contact with someone who has tested positive, I feel like that’s a fair cop.
But a random ping when they don’t even tell me where or when. Might be someone in a mask who just passed me for a second. That’s just daft.

@DoingItMyself

Not safe at all. There's been so much fuss and misinformation about this virus that I no longer trust anything I read. I've done what seemed logical to me - I was offered vaccination, I took it. Apparently I'm now going to be magnetic, infertile and marked out for death as soon as I catch a cold, and it's all a plot by lizards who look like the Queen. Or something.

What the fuck. I'm keeping my mask, using hand sanitiser and staying the fuck away from anyone I don't need to be near.

Well, being magnetic may bring its problems, but not worried about my fertility, being in my 60s! those Queen Lizards will be interesting to encounter.

Double jabbed, work in retail in various different stores each and every day, I took a lift with an elderly lady yesterday because she didn't know how to work it, I was masked she wasn't. I'm not devoid of empathy, I was happy to help her even though I don't work for that store. It's what we do.