Hasn’t NZ done soooo well.

[Mathshelpme]

I’ll just leave this here.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/new-zealand-children-falling-ill-in-high-numbers-due-to-covid-immunity-debt

Probably best to throw those masks away sooner rather than later.

Calm down OP ffs. You sound like you are frothing at the mouth. It’s 2 years worth of babies catching rsv in a shorter space of time. There are simply more babies now getting it because so many less got it last year. Same amount of babies just more at once. Nothing to do with throwing masks away and getting rid of bubbles. Nice try though

If the schools round here are anything to go by we have the same. All kinds of bugs popping up that we don't usually see this time of year.

I'm so fucking bored of the pitting countries against each other.

Who knows how us opening up will go until we do it and who knows what will happen in NZ with delta seeming to be so more contagious or what will happen when people are finally allowed to travel again .

[quote GingerAndTheBiscuits]Here we are www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/25/ae-units-in-uk-report-rapid-rise-in-childrens-infections[/quote]
Did you a Italy read the article you linked to in such a scaremongering way?

Quoted here;

The college, which represents specialist children’s doctors, sought to reassure worried parents and said that months of little or no social contact had not changed children’s immune systems.

Dr Liz Whittaker, its infectious disease lead, said: “We’re not concerned by this rise in infections. They are not more serious or unusual. It’s just that they are all happening now, instead of over the winter months, as children begin mixing again.

“Children’s immune systems are strong and some will never get sick with these viruses. They are certainly no more susceptible than they were before lockdown. It’s more that some parents have lost a little confidence in their own judgment, and that’s not surprising. Their children are fine, they just need reassuring.”

My friend in the Uk got a letter about a surge in RSV and parainfluenza in the south west.

It's happening here too. Ds has had chest infection,,GP said they've got so many children with respiratory issues at the moment that aren't covid related.

@MoppaSprings

My friend in the Uk got a letter about a surge in RSV and parainfluenza in the south west.

Interesting. That's where I am.

I think it was the school that sent it to her, reminding people with ARIs to stay home for 24 hrs

The op may be poorly informed and worded but I remember this sort of thing being raised on here at the start of lockdown measures and the posters being shouted down for scare mongering about something that would never happen (UK)

It’s well known that all lockdown has done is replace one set of problems with another bigger one, but which will be spread over the next couple of decades rather than months/ years.

Now I’ve no idea what else we could have done but let’s not pretend all these unnatural measures have been a good thing in any way - a necessary evil perhaps yes...

@Mathshelpme

@FreeBritnee

I think the uk and New Zealand are reporting the same issue but the NZ article in the guardian has been spun negatively. It doesn't sound to me like kids are negatively impacted -

“Dr Liz Whittaker, its infectious disease lead, said:
“We’re not concerned by this rise in infections. They are not more serious or unusual. It’s just that they are all happening now, instead of over the winter months, as children begin mixing again.

“Children’s immune systems are strong and some will never get sick with these viruses. They are certainly no more susceptible than they were before lockdown. It’s more that some parents have lost a little confidence in their own judgment, and that’s not surprising. Their children are fine, they just need reassuring.””

Surprising though that NZ is getting RSV in summer when they have hardly been in lockdown, and hardly worn masks, they’ve mainly just been careful with Covid at the borders. So I wonder if this is a global spread of RSV?

This is one of the worst OPs I've ever seen. It sounds like you were actually pleased to be find something to back up your theory that you failed to remember this is about real people. I bet your Facebook is full of antimask shite that the majority of your friends eyeroll at.

Also as long as the health service isn't overwhelmed then this isn't much of an issue. It basically means instead of a steady stream of kids getting in, the all get ill at the same time. Not more of them.

It’s well known that all lockdown has done is replace one set of problems with another bigger one, but which will be spread over the next couple of decades rather than months/ years

Well-known by whom? Links to this?

@Schmoana it’s winter in NZ just now

Surprising though that NZ is getting RSV in summer when they have hardly been in lockdown, and hardly worn masks, they’ve mainly just been careful with Covid at the borders.

It’s the middle of winter in NZ…

DS had RSV badly two weeks ago. Definitely rather that and the 18 months we’ve had, rather than going through what the UK has.

@Mathshelpme

I want my son back in school, learning, socialising, having all the associated experiences and yes, even catching bugs. I am exasperated by people calling for more restrictions and more mask wearing.

So like how life is in NZ and Australia (for the majority) then.

Blimey folks, think we can stop with the pile on. OP has apologised more than once and said it was never her intention to sound gloaty. So why don’t we just believe her? It’s hard to get “tone” from a typed message and her explanation of being cross about it for everyone is reasonable.

Personally I agree I don’t think this is down to mask wearing as kids don’t wear masks. Possibly due to social distancing, extra hygiene measures? Though NZ doesn’t seem to have done that as much as we have had to. I have a nz friend on fb and plenty of photos of them being out and about, visiting friends, etc. Maybe they had a lockdown last year, I really can’t remember but nothing like the U.K.. so I can imagine a surge in flu, rsv, colds, etc happening here this winter….hopefully not alongside a delta wave.

Of course it’s winter in NZ - duh! Feeling daft now!

But even more normal for NZ to be getting RSV cases - I do think the article is very negatively spun

@Echt My local NHS board I work alongside were presenting last summer at work meetings with evidence showing the impact of lockdown one on life expectancy over the next few decades would be the same as 6 unmitigated pandemics. That was a year ago.

There’s tons of evidence out there if you look at all, mental health impact, financial impact, equalities impact, impact on other health issues. Learning loss for children and young people. I deal with it every day at work and we will be until I retire in (hopefully!) 20 odd years time.

Are you thinking this has been a positive or am I misunderstanding you?

Do you have links to that evidence @RJnomore1?

Where did they get those figures from? Does the pandemic figure only account for the pandemic illness itself or does it include the economic, other health issues, mental health impact, long term disability impact that would happen from an unmitigated pandemic.

I don’t think anyone’s ever claimed that lockdown doesn’t cause issues. But on balance the outcomes were in favour of the first lockdown causing less problem than not dealing with Covid at all.

I mean about the impact being equal to 6 unmitigated pandemics.

Why is it shocking to highlight how the results of US ALL wearing masks and social distancing, has led to other problems occurring?

As masks and social distancing went out the window long ago in NZ I fail to understand your point

@Pinchoftums

Also as long as the health service isn't overwhelmed then this isn't much of an issue. It basically means instead of a steady stream of kids getting in, the all get ill at the same time. Not more of them.

Exactly. They avoided the extra burden of RSV earlier in the pandemic and are dealing with those cases now. And in the meantime they have avoided many Covid deaths. The article itself says that it's not something to worry about. So yes, NZ has done well.

How would you handle it then Mathshelpme? Tell us your plans for dealing with a worldwide pandemic.

Btw, ipsos/Mori poll out today says about 70% of public want continued masks and social distancing after ‘freedom’ day.