Hasn’t NZ done soooo well.

[Mathshelpme]

I’ll just leave this here.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/new-zealand-children-falling-ill-in-high-numbers-due-to-covid-immunity-debt

Probably best to throw those masks away sooner rather than later.

The artical is rubbish....
Firstly NZ has been opperating as normal internally as covid has been kept out. Meaning schools open, everything open and people able to mix.

My children didnt mix for over 12 months due to one being CEV and they have been healthier than ever due not to picking up every little bug.

Hasn’t NZ done soooo well.

Like fuck you weren't being smug and goady about kids getting seriously ill.

Have you not heard this is likely to be us in the winter? It was in the news last week that there has been an increase already in A & E admissions of children with viral wheezes. My asthmatic dd is prone to exacerbations through the winter months with all the virus' about, sometimes resulting in a hospital admission. Last year she was very well, but due to several episodes of isolation and school closures she was out of school beginning of December to March. I am bracing myself for a difficult winter with her this year.

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Thank you. That may be the case. I feel incredibly emotional. I feel tremendous guilt that I too was calling for all this a few months ago and enraged because I feel so misled. I saw that doctor on Twitter calling for masks, then saw her business and I saw red. My emotional response may have hindered my ability to post in a more measured way.

@Mathshelpme do you mean @jujuliagrace of every doctor?

Yes, I think so.

Then why are you getting aggravated and "seeing red"? @Mathshelpme

Julia runs a charity that has been promoting inquiries into issues regarding PPE and government failures within the NHS during the pandemic. She is very transparent about the charities work, and all the profits made from masks are used to fund the costs of running it. Why would you assume this is just someone spreading misinformation to profit from it without actually looking into it?

here's an article from the independent about every doctor: www.independent.co.uk/voices/ppe-doctor-coronavirus-nhs-b1836398.html

@onelostsoulswimminginafishbowl is right. That article makes no sense. They had one lockdown in March 2020, the end of their summer. Life's normal for them since then. Covid immunity debt makes no sense and your post just makes you sound like you're delighting in children getting sick to prove some weird point or as some gotcha. Which is horrible when it's precious kiwi tamariki you're using to do so.

Children in the UK were in school though last winter up to January and then after a short break after that.
They have had exposure.

Op, I am sorry I do not understand your point though, mask are a small easy part of our armour to stop an over whelming surge> Like a small umbrella in a thunderstorm, we will still get wet, be exposed to the water on our legs, arms, feet etc but its a small protection so we dont get absolutist drenched.

It doesn't work like that for RSV. It's risky for young babies because their airway is narrow. Once they get older it tends to be a fairly mild respiratory virus. So all the kids who theoretically didn't get it last year are not going to end up in hospital alongside this year's cohort

Like others I don't understand why this is the case in NZ since they've had very light restrictions for a long time now. It is very obvious in my child's nursery that we seem to be in the middle of winter bug season even though it's July, due to them not circulating in winter. Tbh I'm relieved that he's getting little bugs again. I know lots of people who think a big advantage of lockdowns was kids not picking up the usual stuff and obviously it is a pain when they have constant illnesses. But at the same time there are so many theories that allergies, autoimmune diseases and even childhood leukemia may be linked to modern cleanliness and immune systems essentially being underoccupied, it feels like a bit of an experiment to have such a huge reduction in the circulation of normal bugs and minor illnesses and one that makes me a bit anxious. It's very clear that my toddler's immune system isn't as robust as it was, he's currently picking up every thing going.

Op, you are sharing this to the wrong platform. According to MN, we should be locked up for the rest of our lives and be jabbed twice a day.

Wonder had NZ hadve had a population of 65 million to deal with as opposed to just 5 million, would it have been the same story?🤔. Just curious!🤗

Goady and gloating shite.

Like the undertone of much commentary about Australia over the last months: ooh done so well so let's have larf when they get fucked over.

Hello from New Zealand, yes, we have done so well.

I've read the article, it's actually quite shockingly badly written. It starts with a definite statement, that this outbreak is "covid debt", but that is really just one man's opinion.

We really haven't had extended lockdowns, social distancing, or even (let's be honest) excessive hand sanitizing for over a year now. We've had the odd week where there's been a brief scare, which gives us all something juicy to chatter about on social media, but no one is masked, kids haven't been out of school, everything is open.
It's probably hard to grasp just how ordinary life is here, if you are in the UK.

We're about halfway through winter and we've had over half our usual quota of RSV cases, and this very contagious virus is spreading itself exactly like a contagious virus does instead of taking on a few people per week in a nice orderly fashion. What a surprise! 😮

Both of my kids have been off school sick this whole week. Anecdotally, it seems that half my town's kids are too. One acquaintance has a child with RSV in hospital right now.

I know you've all had a horrible time with covid, but if you get so upset by an article like this, and you find yourself writing ranty, goady, sarcastic posts about other people's sick children, then it's time to step away from the news, maybe take a break from social media, drink more water, touch grass, ask a close friend to give you a nice healthy slap.

Feeling gleeful about someone else’s suffering is the epitome of pathetic.

OP it just shines a light on how badly you feel about how the mighty UK has handled this mess. That is, pathetically.

So a sneering, gloating title and then a swift backtrack to somehow justify your revolting thread.

Despicable.

Honestly op I'd ask for the thread to be pulled and start again.

It's unlikely their death toll, even with this, would be anything like if they'd abolished their measures and let covid run riot.

What a truly disgusting OP.

Perhaps you could just go back to wherever you left your moral decency and retrieve it from there.

God, when a virus evolves that targets stupid I for one wont be wearing a mask or demanding someone develops a cure.

I'm from NZ, my family and I are currently in the Covid shit-show that is the UK.

My family back in NZ, meantime, are living life pretty as normal, oh, and most of them have been fully vaccinated before we have. I'm glad they are living safe and normal lives. I wish we could say the same. I'm not going to get into the discussion of how they would have managed if they had the same population, the same border issues etc, etc, etc. They did the best they could with the information they had and the tools they had to hand at the time, and with the priorities and drive of those who had the power and responsibility to make the call.

Objectively, and subjectively, I think they have done well. I know damned well where I'd rather be placed with young children at the moment.

Oh, and your original post, OP, was vile and personally I'd be embarrassed that I'd given so much insight into the inner workings of your mind. If you do have a decent person who is your friend, the suggestion of asking them to give you a bloody good slap, sounds an excellent one

Hard to say how much is masks, how much is travel restrictions (which have prevented viruses from entering countries' borders) and how much is social distancing, but weird off-season outbreaks of RSVs are almost certainly related to the response to the pandemic. It's not just NZ though---it's the same thing almost everywhere.

Although the LD was fairly short in NZ, I suspect that voluntary social distancing and border closures have wound up having a similar effect.

Either way, we are all in for an "interesting" summer, I fear.

There was an interesting article about Covid Debt illnesses by Whitty. Maybe in The Times?
But it wasn’t specific to NZ. Apparently one of the reasons he wants easing of restrictions on the UK is because of fears about this in children.

@mbosnz - I am in NZ and living a pretty normal life. Main problem is being unable to travel and return to NZ - my Mum is in UK.

I am pleased your family here have been vaccinated, but they are very fortunate. NZ's rollout of the vaccination has not been good, currently we have just over 10% who have had the double injections.

Yes, rsv is rampant here at the moment. Lots of young kids are ill with it where I live. Not so much due to our brief lockdown and certainly not due to mask wearing. Our kids have been mixing and going to school as usual without masks pretty much the whole time. It's because our borders have been closed and since opening to Australia we have seen those winter bugs return which younger kids haven't yet been exposed to. It's an unpleasant consequence of long term border closures but nobody has died (yet, hopefully will stay that way) and certainly doesn't give us any reason to doubt our covid strategy last year. You sound like you're running your hands with glee OP.

I mean rubbing, obviously!