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Hasn’t NZ done soooo well.

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Mathshelpme · 08/07/2021 11:41

I’ll just leave this here.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/08/new-zealand-children-falling-ill-in-high-numbers-due-to-covid-immunity-debt

Probably best to throw those masks away sooner rather than later.

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LovelaceBiggWither · 08/07/2021 12:07

Yeah, it's probably a good idea to check your facts before posting some horrible gloating bollocks. Covid in NZ is a very different experience to covid in the UK.

FiveShelties · 08/07/2021 12:09

We have babies here in our local hospitals suffering from RSV, who are unable to feed due to coughing and are in ICU.

Your thread is shocking.

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Mathshelpme · 08/07/2021 12:12

@FiveShelties

We have babies here in our local hospitals suffering from RSV, who are unable to feed due to coughing and are in ICU.

Your thread is shocking.

Why? Why is it shocking to highlight how the results of US ALL wearing masks and social distancing, has led to other problems occurring?
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sashagabadon · 08/07/2021 12:15

we'll get that in the UK too this winter. Plus high flu levels.

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Mathshelpme · 08/07/2021 12:18

@sashagabadon

we'll get that in the UK too this winter. Plus high flu levels.
I know and it feels like a complete disaster. And the only thing we can do to avoid…wear masks and make the problem even greater or push it back.
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Wakeupin2022 · 08/07/2021 12:21

@Mathshelpme

I want my son back in school, learning, socialising, having all the associated experiences and yes, even catching bugs. I am exasperated by people calling for more restrictions and more mask wearing.
But mask wearing by adults us surely going to help keep your son in school?

I'm sorry I don't understand your logic unless very young children are also wearing masks.

Most kids in UK were off school during peak virus season so they would not have been exposed like normal.

We were in lockdown so babiesn/ toddlers were not exposed to viruses in the way they normally have.

If we take a playgroup as an example - I don't think a few adults standing with masks on is really going to stop the spread of virus between kids.

It's the lack of children mixing with children that has been the issue.

FourTeaFallOut · 08/07/2021 12:24

We are already seeing high levels of RSV on the you (my ds had RSV as a baby he was hospitalised on oxygen and became so tired he needed a feeding tube, he lost a heap of weigh and took months to recover) and we will see far more in the winter when the virus thrives and we expect far more cases of flu this winter. RSV and flu are far more troublesome to the very young than covid, they really are picking up the covid tab.

Orf1abc · 08/07/2021 12:24

Why is it shocking to highlight how the results of US ALL wearing masks and social distancing, has led to other problems occurring?

People haven't all been wearing masks in New Zealand. You may well have a valid point, but using NZ as a point of reference devalues what you're trying to say.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 08/07/2021 12:28

What a thoroughly nasty post. I am genuinely quite shocked that you would post this. And you can't blame it on masks, as people in NZ mainly haven't had to wear them.

Geamhradh · 08/07/2021 12:30

Nasty OP about babies being seriously ill proves that for some people, it actually is a race to the bottom.

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Mathshelpme · 08/07/2021 12:30

@Orf1abc

Why is it shocking to highlight how the results of US ALL wearing masks and social distancing, has led to other problems occurring?

People haven't all been wearing masks in New Zealand. You may well have a valid point, but using NZ as a point of reference devalues what you're trying to say.

Thank you. That may be the case. I feel incredibly emotional. I feel tremendous guilt that I too was calling for all this a few months ago and enraged because I feel so misled. I saw that doctor on Twitter calling for masks, then saw her business and I saw red. My emotional response may have hindered my ability to post in a more measured way.
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suggestionsplease1 · 08/07/2021 12:31

It sounds like one of the many unintended consequences of lockdowns that we will perhaps only really have a true idea of in years to come.

There are so many little things that actually can add up - eg I was getting my haircut and they anticipate business to be down for the forseeable future - people have got into new habits or have realised they don't need to get their hair cut/treated so often. If every customer waits on average 2 weeks longer to get hair cut/treated now that is a lot of lost business.

Not saying that lockdowns weren't needed, but there are so many angles and consequences that haven't been anticipated (in addition to those that have of course)

ollyollyoxenfree · 08/07/2021 12:32

Thank you. That may be the case. I feel incredibly emotional. I feel tremendous guilt that I too was calling for all this a few months ago and enraged because I feel so misled. I saw that doctor on Twitter calling for masks, then saw her business and I saw red. My emotional response may have hindered my ability to post in a more measured way.

@Mathshelpme do you mean @jujuliagrace of every doctor?

Wakeupin2022 · 08/07/2021 12:34

New Zealand had a lockdown last year. I am not sure how common masks were bit it was quite strict if I remember correctly. And it was just before their winter?

So kids don't get ill! Same in UK. At the time it was determined that Covid was more of a risk I guess. They would have known this issue was going to occur.

Many of these kids would have got RSV last year and may even have been hospitalised with it, but now we have last years cohorts plus this years cohorts catching it as same time.

And as others have said, it's going to happen in the UK too. That's why I do think it's so important we let kids get back to normal and we lift the restrictions now. But also why I am disappointed that there is no longer a mask mandate, as its a minor inconvenience for many but does reduce spread. It may be that the reason they have got rid if it is that they don't want to reduce spread over the next few weeks........

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Mathshelpme · 08/07/2021 12:34

@ollyollyoxenfree

Thank you. That may be the case. I feel incredibly emotional. I feel tremendous guilt that I too was calling for all this a few months ago and enraged because I feel so misled. I saw that doctor on Twitter calling for masks, then saw her business and I saw red. My emotional response may have hindered my ability to post in a more measured way.

@Mathshelpme do you mean @jujuliagrace of every doctor?

Yes, I think so.
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FiveShelties · 08/07/2021 12:35

Your thread is shocking because it reads as though you are enjoying the fact that actually NZ hasn't 'done soooo well'. Babies are really sick with RSV and not there for point scoring.

chickenyhead · 08/07/2021 12:41

You missed this bit in your conformational bias:

Peaks like the current outbreak don’t necessarily mean the country will have more RSV cases overall, Baker says – it may just be that all the cases are grouped together

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Mathshelpme · 08/07/2021 12:41

@FiveShelties

Your thread is shocking because it reads as though you are enjoying the fact that actually NZ hasn't 'done soooo well'. Babies are really sick with RSV and not there for point scoring.
I am certainly NOT enjoying anything. I am horrified and feeling very upset. My overriding feeling is one of anger. I apologise if you feel I sound like I am enjoying the fact babies are sick. I most certainly are not.
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Geamhradh · 08/07/2021 12:50

In fairness, a quick AS shows what other rather questionable opinions you've had about Covid, so the backtracking about your unpleasant post on NZ babies being seriously ill shouldn't really come as a surprise.

changingstages · 08/07/2021 12:50

bullshit is this not a gloaty post. Read your title again. Good grief.

FiveShelties · 08/07/2021 12:50

@Mathshelpme I live in NZ and perhaps that is why I was so angry at your thread. We are all fed up of Covid and its ramifications, no matter where we live.

Stilltalkstotrees · 08/07/2021 13:03

  1. What many have said about your OP being unpleasant.

  2. What many have said about NZ's Covid response being very different to UK's

  3. (shamelessly borrowed from a post on another thread) I wouldn’t usually quote from an article but just in case anyone skims past and only takes in the headline but is concerned:

Dr Liz Whittaker, its infectious disease lead, said: “We’re not concerned by this rise in infections. They are not more serious or unusual. It’s just that they are all happening now, instead of over the winter months, as children begin mixing again.
“Children’s immune systems are strong and some will never get sick with these viruses. They are certainly no more susceptible than they were before lockdown. It’s more that some parents have lost a little confidence in their own judgment, and that’s not surprising. Their children are fine, they just need reassuring

Stilltalkstotrees · 08/07/2021 13:05

(The quote relates to the UK article shared by a pp)

nothingnobleaboutstalking · 08/07/2021 13:10

apparently doctors in the UK are calling it 'winter in July'.

and yes NZ are doing so well

their kids have had a normal 18 months while ours stayed mostly at home

GalesThisMorning · 08/07/2021 13:13

Well, yes. NZ have done so well, overall they have. Why not just be happy that they've avoided the death rates seen in the UK, and feel sad for children suffering? What is the correlation between that article and UK mask wearing, which is coming to an end anyway??

Really weird and not very nice post.