Feeling so low about this new world of vaccines

[blue12345]

Just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat as me? For many reasons, I've decided not to get the Covid vaccine. I' have all my vaccines and all my kids are vaccinated. I state this to show I'm not an anti-vaxxer, although I increasingly feel like one.

I'm feeling very isolated from my friends and family as a result of this. Everyone I meet asks me am I booked in yet, am I double-vaccinated. I don't bother getting into conversations about it , but it still causes me anxiety and has led to friction. A very close friend has asked me a few times have I got an appointment for my vaccine yet and I've tried to brush her off, as I think she will be unlikely to want to spend time around me after she finds out I'm not getting it. I've also found that lots of friends have cut back on their contact with me.

I am very comfortable with my decision, but I'm just so sad that we now live in a world where the segregation of vaccinated and unvaccinated people is allowed, in both interpersonal relations and also looking more and more likely that services like restaurants and travel will be similarly restricted.

@Endofether

I think many people are having it to just get life back to normal .

I mean - would you honestly prefer nobody had it and we just had endless lockdowns? What’s the alternative to it?

I don't have the answer to that one. I also don't think life will back to normal for a very long time.

@Endofether

I think many people are having it to just get life back to normal .

I mean - would you honestly prefer nobody had it and we just had endless lockdowns? What’s the alternative to it?

Vaccinating the people most likely to end up in hospital so we don’t need restrictions to ‘save the nhs’.

@XenoBitch How come? In what way?

[quote Requestingatimemachine]@XenoBitch How come? In what way?[/quote]
I am not convinced freedom day will go ahead, and if it does it will be short lived.

@XenoBitch Hmm yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me, but how can they not go ahead now, this can’t last forever and why would it

[quote Requestingatimemachine]@XenoBitch Hmm yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me, but how can they not go ahead now, this can’t last forever and why would it[/quote]
I hope it wont last forever, and no pandemic ever has anyway. I don't trust the government not to do a last minute u-turn (remember christmas?).

I think people get annoyed with non-vaxxers because nobody would ideally want aun unlicensed experimental vaccine injected into them

Reading this You'd think they'd introduced the vaccine straight after a few scientists had just messed around in a lab for a couple days..... The vaccines went through all the normal, very rigorous testing processes before being put into our arms!

@Sunshinegirl82

I don't understand why this misconception that the covid vaccines have no impact on transmission persists.

The vaccines do not prevent all transmission but they substantially reduce it. A vaccinated person is much, much less likely to contract and transmit covid than a non vaccinated person.

I think it's perpetuated by anti-vaxxers desperately trying to justify their position. They confound "vaccines don't stop all transmission" with "vaccines don't stop transmission at all".

What a ridiculous, self indulgent thread. Wah wah wah, I feel so low because none of my fwends like the fact I decided not to join in something to stop a deadly vaccine which could kill any them.

*virus

I bet it Covid was killing kids you'd take the vaccine

@pigeonpies

I bet it Covid was killing kids you'd take the vaccine

Well that would make it a completely different virus with a different risk-benefit analysis so yes, you might find that people would make a different decision about it. How is that relevant?

@Warhertisuff

I think people get annoyed with non-vaxxers because nobody would ideally want aun unlicensed experimental vaccine injected into them

Reading this You'd think they'd introduced the vaccine straight after a few scientists had just messed around in a lab for a couple days..... The vaccines went through all the normal, very rigorous testing processes before being put into our arms!

But it IS unlicensed and this current phase is is a massive clinical trial to see longer term side effects

It isn’t ideal for anyone to have it but it’s an global emergency

@bumbleymummy

The relevance being that the OP may have vaccinated if it were to protect her children, because naturally she loves them and would not want them to die. The general public are applying that same logic but for the vulnerable of the world, not just for our own personal worlds.

Anti Vaxers are happy to accept the benefit of living in a country where the rest of us have taken whatever risk you perceive to have stopped you vaccinating. You should be thanking us ( and your friends) and stop selfishly focusing on how sad it's made you

You live in a society so start acting like you do.

[quote pigeonpies]@bumbleymummy

The relevance being that the OP may have vaccinated if it were to protect her children, because naturally she loves them and would not want them to die. The general public are applying that same logic but for the vulnerable of the world, not just for our own personal worlds.

Anti Vaxers are happy to accept the benefit of living in a country where the rest of us have taken whatever risk you perceive to have stopped you vaccinating. You should be thanking us ( and your friends) and stop selfishly focusing on how sad it's made you

You live in a society so start acting like you do.

[/quote]
^^ This.

It's pretty binary really - either you are helping protect those around you, or risking harming them.

If you're vaccinated, you're something like 80% less likely to transmit Covid to those around you. If you don't vaccinate, you don't add that 80% risk reduction to those round you. And I for one do not want to be around people who are a higher risk of harming me or my family's health or security.

I'm very glad that I haven't got any friends or relatives who think it's acceptable to risk the health and welfare of those around them by refusing the vaccine. By all means make your choice to not vaccinate, but don't then complain that people keep their distance to improve their odds with regards transmission from you and the resultant impacts on them.

The general public are applying that same logic but for the vulnerable of the world, not just for our own personal worlds.

No they’re not. They don’t give a crap about the vulnerable in the rest of the world or they wouldn’t, as healthy, low-risk people, be taking a vaccine while vulnerable people in other countries die because they can’t get one.

You’re right, it isn’t binary. It’s not vaccinated immune or unvaccinated non-immune. There are non immune vaccinated people putting others at risk and unvaccinated immune people who aren’t a risk to anyone.

And I’m not so blinkered that I think someone’s contribution to society can be judged on whether or not they take one particular vaccine.

There are non immune vaccinated people putting others at risk

They can’t do anything about that, is the difference.

But it’s not a difference. If the virus puts someone at risk, it doesn’t matter if it came from a vaccinated or an unvaccinated person. It makes no difference to the virus why that person is immune or not.

If the virus puts someone at risk, it doesn’t matter if it came from a vaccinated or an unvaccinated person.

I disagree. Intentions do count, not to the virus, but they do to people.

But it’s not a difference. If the virus puts someone at risk, it doesn’t matter if it came from a vaccinated or an unvaccinated person.

Of course it does. One circumstance can be changed, the other can’t.

Intentions don’t stop someone getting ill if you’re not immune.

They don’t give a crap about the vulnerable in the rest of the world or they wouldn’t, as healthy, low-risk people, be taking a vaccine while vulnerable people in other countries die because they can’t get one.

This doesn't make any sense - we aren't given the choice of having the vaccine or sending our dose to a vulnerable person in Mali. Refusing the vaccine is not an effective way to help those in developing countries. Nice try implying that people who have the vaccine are selfish and those that refuse it are altruistic, but it's nonsense really. If you want to help vaccination programmes overseas, lobby, protest, donate. Refusing the vaccine won't help and means the chance to do your bit to improve things here is also missed.

I agree with bumble, it's actually selfish if you think about it to take a vaccine if you are healthy and young and low risk, why people around the world who are vulnerable are dying because they don't have access to vaccines. That would be giving to the greater good.

@HeyDugeesCakeBadge

I agree with bumble, it's actually selfish if you think about it to take a vaccine if you are healthy and young and low risk, why people around the world who are vulnerable are dying because they don't have access to vaccines. That would be giving to the greater good.

Are you then ok with longer restrictions?

I suspect this is just a handy argument though. There’s no stopping you if you want to donate funds to GAVI