Let's face it, they're letting it rip.

[ZednotZee]

Aren't they?

The vaccines aren't seemingly preventing transmission.

We are opening up on the 19th.

This is being done presumably as the public appetite for further lockdowns will be nil come October/November so best to get it over with now and have heard immunity come the autumn.

They won't say it but its becoming very clear that the immunocompromised need to continue to shield til the rest of us have contracted and got over the infection.

What else can we do? Well we could keep current measures in place until case numbers of the Delta variant have started to drop again.
The recklessness of this government is sickening they are prepared to sacrifice vulnerable people to satisfy the Covid Recovery Group. We are cannon fodder to them. But then when have Tories given a shit about the vulnerable

@rwalker definitely, but how would you do it?
Let's say your job wants you back, in an office with no ventilation and everyone not wearing masks. Or public facing and not mask wearing
It's hard, I can protect myself and not put myself in situations outside of work and restrict my socialising but CEV are no longer looking to be protecting under the you should WFH

@TheKeatingFive

If Covid is a huge threat to a clinically vulnerable child then I cannot understand why their Drs wouldn’t be exploring all avenues possible to get them a vaccine. It is approved for over 12s and channels exist to give it to under 12s if needs be.

You can imagine that parents have been quite keen to shield vulnerable children when they can. That skews the stats.

Also, covid is a novel illness, we are still working to understand how it affects people with different sorts of complicated underlying conditions and the advice for people with various respiratory conditions or with immunosuppression has changed over recent months.

There is little desire to take on responsibility for administering a treatment off licence to children; also vaccines in the UK for 12-15 have not been decided upon by the JCVI though they have been passed by the MHRA.

So, no, doctors have not been falling over themselves to offer vaccines to vulnerable children, absolutely the opposite has been happening.

Yes they are.
But let's face it, they're in a lose lose situation.

My 2 youngest DC year groups closed on Friday and now the rest of the school has too ( one primary one secondary)
3 positives in year 8 ast Friday are now at 15
1 positive in year 4 is now 11.

Plus the rest of the years are also seeing high numbers.

Just glad I’m in Scotland. I’m pregnant and not yet vaccinated. It’s just forcing so many vulnerable people not to be able to go anywhere at all. Such a shame! If they live alone they’ll have no choice but to go into food shops etc, putting themselves at huge risk 😕 If they want to do things like open night clubs or allow bigger crowds in to football matches I can see why some people will have been desperate to get back to that and it will need to happen at some point but I just don’t understand why masks are being done away with?! Is it really that much of an inconvenience for people to wear a mask? Given we’ve been somehow managing it for a year and it really doesn’t limit you in anyway yet no doubt saves many lives and saves a lot of people being unwell

Let's face it, they're letting it rip

The vaccines aren't seemingly preventing transmission.

Uh huh.

You do understand how vaccines/natural transmission/worked contagion immunity works, yes?

No?

No?!

Well clock on.

I think compliance has gone down and tbh it's been a really hard year for the children. At some point we're going to have to learn to live with Covid. Majority of the vulnerable are vaccinated and I think it's better to "let it rip" over summer rather than winter. I'm hoping younger people will get the vaccine and we can approach herd immunity protecting those who can't be vaccinated. I do think those who need to shield should be properly supported both with financial and practical support and not forgotten.

Critical Thinking is a GCSE subject available for study in UK education schools.

Look it it.

Get involved.

The German government is well aware that they can't stop Delta. And they will be well aware of what that means for case numbers and how they too have little option but to fall back on to relying on the effectiveness of vaccines in the very near future. Like the UK.

Sorry RTB - I've been accused of being anti vax for asking this question - but are you saying that vaccines are not protecting us against Delta?

My comprehension skills are failing me.

`Look it up.

There is little desire to take on responsibility for administering a treatment off licence to children

If drs genuinely feel the child is at high risk then I don’t this is a fair position.

Also, with regards to data, surely world wide we have a lot more to go on now?

Are there any other country specific variants in the pipe line?

Well we could keep current measures in place until case numbers of the Delta variant have started to drop again.

I don’t think it would make any difference. As Whitty said the wave’s going to happen. Better that it happens sooner.

PurpleHoodie yes Lamda variant from Peru is starting to spread.

This is the danger of letting it rip. Lots of cases = more mutations

@theemperorhasnoclothes

I'm always astounded at the lack of curiosity that we're the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD taking this approach.

Even Israel has re-introduced masks.

And we don't exactly have a good track record. It's unbelievable.

Someone twitter said the problem with covid is that you're taking personal responsibility for other people's health, not your own.

The callous disregard for the health of children and vulnerable people by a large proportion of the population has been something that has taken my breath away time and again.

Why do you think we're the only country to lift restrictions? What about the US?

@Blinky21

What else can we do? Well we could keep current measures in place until case numbers of the Delta variant have started to drop again. The recklessness of this government is sickening they are prepared to sacrifice vulnerable people to satisfy the Covid Recovery Group. We are cannon fodder to them. But then when have Tories given a shit about the vulnerable

But current measures very evidently aren't stopping the growth in cases?

@Dustyboots

The German government is well aware that they can't stop Delta. And they will be well aware of what that means for case numbers and how they too have little option but to fall back on to relying on the effectiveness of vaccines in the very near future. Like the UK.

Sorry RTB - I've been accused of being anti vax for asking this question - but are you saying that vaccines are not protecting us against Delta?

My comprehension skills are failing me.

No it does. It stops us getting severe covid or dying. We are at reduced risk of catching Delta if we are double vaccinated, but it does not prevent it.

One of the problems is that because its more transmittable, that still means we get more people being infected at the same time, compared with Alpha (even if they are vaccinated).

The extra transmittably means that restrictions are less effective. (See Australia).

In essence you get a sharper steeper peak in cases, but the protective effect of vaccines means this doesn't translate into deaths and hospitalisations at the same rate as previous rates (hence we are able to cope with the increased case load, which we wouldn't previously have managed in previous waves).

Sorry this is a bit of a mind fuck.

Basically your case rate skyrockets very quickly, but the vaccines protect you from more serious consequences if that makes sense.

Tories and the Eton boys don't give a shit about economically 'poor' people.

Nor do they give shit about disabled people or those who are clinically vulnerable.

How or why is anyone surprised about this one.

They want poor people and disabled people exterminated.
Hence this policy.

What else could it be. No question. That's how it is.

@colouringindoors

PurpleHoodie yes Lamda variant from Peru is starting to spread.

This is the danger of letting it rip. Lots of cases = more mutations

Yes. This is true. Its also the case that restrictions stricter than in January possibly wouldn't contain Delta and keep it under an R of 1 and there are health consequences associated with restrictions - which harm the clinically vulnerable most anyway. If we were going to limit cases, we would be looking at a very strict and lengthy lockdown now.

I don't think this would be observed even if it were mandated by government after so many people have been vaccinated.

So that means we don't have the means to stop Delta in practice.

Its less 'let it rip' and more 'the public will not do another length full on lockdown over summer to reduce cases after over 80% have had at least one vaccination'.

Basically its all already baked in and the government are actually pretty powerless to order another lockdown at this point. All they can do is try and manage timing instead.

@PurpleHoodie

Critical Thinking is a GCSE subject available for study in UK education schools.

Look it it.

Get involved.

The last couple of days have had me in some levels of despair, I've got to be honest.

This is the danger of letting it rip. Lots of cases = more mutations

The rest of the world won’t be vaxxed for absolutely years, we better get used,

Texas and Florida havnt worn masks for a while and they are doing great

The NHS discovered that lockdown means flu, norovirus, disappeared. More beds for other treatments, less staff sickness. Releasing us now with vaccines, good weather then bringing back restrictions in the autumn I suspect is something they have decided will mean other treatments will continue to be available. They maybe kicking the can down the road only time will tell

@scrambledcustard

Texas and Florida havnt worn masks for a while and they are doing great

Delta is only just starting up there.

@DontDoThatGeorge fucking pathetic because I will no longer wear a mask am I? Well I don’t give a toss love…. I’m not doing it anymore. End of

You work for nhs? Well crack on.